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00:00:14:02\nSo, Jack, you grew up in\rLos Angeles, but not in Venice.\n\n00:00:14:02 - 00:00:17:14\nBut you did have\rexperiences as a youth in Venice.\n\n00:00:17:14 - 00:00:20:16\nSo can you tell me about that,\rwhen your first experiences of Venice\n\n00:00:20:16 - 00:00:24:01\nand how you found it\rand what you were doing?\n\n00:00:24:01 - 00:00:26:16\nWell, prior to that, we came from Detroit.\n\n00:00:26:16 - 00:00:31:11\nI was just five,\rlanded in North Hollywood.\n\n00:00:31:11 - 00:00:35:14\nMy father had sworn when he was\rin the Marines down at Camp Pendleton\n\n00:00:35:14 - 00:00:38:07\nthat he would not raise\rhis family in Detroit.\n\n00:00:38:07 - 00:00:41:07\nAnd when he could afford a new Eldorado\n\n00:00:41:09 - 00:00:44:16\nin cash, he would drive us\rout here and resettle here.\n\n00:00:44:16 - 00:00:46:07\nAnd he did, in 1961.\n\n00:00:46:07 - 00:00:48:10\nSo, that's where it started.\n\n00:00:48:10 - 00:00:49:22\nHe was an avid swimmer.\n\n00:00:49:22 - 00:00:51:17\nHe proposed to my mother at Jack’s on the\n\n00:00:51:17 - 00:00:55:15\nbeach on Santa Monica Pier\rwhile she was in the bathtub in Detroit.\n\n00:00:55:15 - 00:00:57:02\nSo there was some history of the beach.\n\n00:00:57:02 - 00:00:58:17\nHe loved swimming and body surfing.\n\n00:00:58:17 - 00:01:00:14\nSo he used to take us to Santa Monica,\n\n00:01:00:14 - 00:01:04:17\nwhere we saw the beach\rin the front of homes and\n\n00:01:04:17 - 00:01:05:20\nall the way into Malibu.\n\n00:01:05:20 - 00:01:07:06\nAnd he had friends in Laguna and all that.\n\n00:01:07:06 - 00:01:11:09\nHe was a golf professional.\rAnd so he was familiar with the beach.\n\n00:01:11:09 - 00:01:15:15\nBut one of my father's friends,\rfriends fathers, took us,\n\n00:01:15:15 - 00:01:19:20\nthree of us, to surf in 1968 in Venice,\rand dropped us at Rose.\n\n00:01:19:20 - 00:01:22:04\nAnd we walked down to the jetty\n\n00:01:22:04 - 00:01:24:12\nand it was a windy,\n\n00:01:24:12 - 00:01:27:17\nblustery day and the waves\rwere horrible and it was cold.\n\n00:01:27:17 - 00:01:29:15\nAnd I said, I'm not surfing,\rthere's nothing to surf.\n\n00:01:29:15 - 00:01:33:19\nAnd they went out and I sat there\rand looked at the buildings and I said,\n\n00:01:33:19 - 00:01:37:21\nWhat is that city\rsitting at the edge of this...\n\n00:01:37:21 - 00:01:39:02\nsandy expanse?\n\n00:01:39:02 - 00:01:40:00\nI just never seen a city...\n\n00:01:40:00 - 00:01:43:03\n\rIt's common on the East Coast,\rbut it was not common in L.A.\n\n00:01:43:03 - 00:01:44:10\nI was just fascinated by it.\n\n00:01:44:10 - 00:01:47:21\nIt really opened my eyes up\rand the public wasn't here at that point.\n\n00:01:47:21 - 00:01:52:01\nIt was earlier than the roller\rskating era that started to drive people\n\n00:01:52:01 - 00:01:53:13\nback to the beach in Venice.\n\n00:01:53:13 - 00:01:56:04\nTalk about what it was like\rwhen you first came at that age.\n\n00:01:56:04 - 00:01:57:08\nEmpty.\n\n00:01:57:08 - 00:01:58:10\nThere was nobody around.\n\n00:01:58:10 - 00:02:00:20\nI mean, the whole oceanfront was basically...\n\n00:02:00:20 - 00:02:03:22\nThere were businesses\rthat serve the community, locally,\n\n00:02:03:22 - 00:02:06:14\nnot serving a public that came here\rand descended on the beach\n\n00:02:06:14 - 00:02:08:17\nbecause there was no real public\rcoming down here at the time.\n\n00:02:08:17 - 00:02:09:22\nIt was really abandoned.\n\n00:02:09:22 - 00:02:12:03\nIt was still somewhat abandoned\n\n00:02:12:03 - 00:02:16:08\nin the way that I expect it was abandoned\rwhen Venice pleaded for someone\n\n00:02:16:08 - 00:02:20:12\nto take us over to help us and ended up\rmaking what I think was the wrong choice\n\n00:02:20:12 - 00:02:21:10\nby asking L.A.\n\n00:02:21:10 - 00:02:24:02\nrather than Santa Monica to assimilate us.\n\n00:02:24:02 - 00:02:26:14\nAnd my suspicion is that L.A.\n\n00:02:26:14 - 00:02:28:00\nreally never took Venice over,\n\n00:02:28:00 - 00:02:31:05\nthat Venice has basically maintained\rits own course since then, and that's why\n\n00:02:31:05 - 00:02:32:13\nso much of the Council Office\n\n00:02:32:13 - 00:02:36:10\ntime is spent in Venice, because it's\rconstantly trying to put the square peg\n\n00:02:36:10 - 00:02:38:11\ninto the round hole\rand it never quite fits.\n\n00:02:38:11 - 00:02:43:01\nIn, I think ‘78, on the verge\rof my first daughter being born,\n\n00:02:43:01 - 00:02:47:23\nwe were down here and spent a night at\rthe Erwin Hotel, and I think it was $17.\n\n00:02:47:23 - 00:02:49:05\nWe had an ocean view room.\n\n00:02:49:05 - 00:02:55:06\nThe hotel was almost nearly empty and it\rwas the beginning of the roller skating.\n\n00:02:55:06 - 00:02:57:23\nSo there was a public down here\rthat was starting to evolve,\n\n00:02:57:23 - 00:02:59:04\nand a lot of the businesses\n\n00:02:59:04 - 00:03:03:15\nstarted to cater to that public.\r Roller skate shops and other shops, food shops.\n\n00:03:03:15 - 00:03:07:16\nThe Sidewalk Cafe was, I forget what year\rthey opened, but that was in the era\n\n00:03:07:16 - 00:03:10:16\nthat they started to actually address\rwhat was happening down there.\n\n00:03:10:16 - 00:03:14:01\nAnd as I remember Bob Goodfader\rtalking about it, he and his wife,\n\n00:03:14:01 - 00:03:18:03\nMary were riding bikes and he passed it\rand she wanted a bookstore and he said,\n\n00:03:18:03 - 00:03:20:09\nYou can have that as\rthe bookstore, and I'll have the,\n\n00:03:20:09 - 00:03:22:18\nI'll make a restaurant here\rand we'll, we'll do that.\n\n00:03:22:18 - 00:03:25:10\nAnd, they were, I think, \riving in the Marina at the time.\n\n00:03:25:10 - 00:03:26:22\nSo, that was sort of the beginning\n\n00:03:26:22 - 00:03:29:10\nof that evolution,\rof the beginning of my returning here\n\n00:03:29:10 - 00:03:32:04\nto that city on the sea\rthat I just saw as so fascinating.\n\n00:03:32:04 - 00:03:34:06\nBut I didn't understand\rwhat the interest was.\n\n00:03:34:06 - 00:03:35:17\nVenice is a place that's interesting\n\n00:03:35:17 - 00:03:40:00\nbecause you can be completely\ranonymous in the midst of huge crowds.\n\n00:03:40:00 - 00:03:42:21\nAnd in a way, the crowds\rend up being the attraction.\n\n00:03:42:21 - 00:03:46:22\n\r‘Cause it's not what you're coming to see,\rbut who you end up seeing in the process.\n\n00:03:46:22 - 00:03:51:03\nAnd it's really what defines\rthe character of Venice, in my estimation,\n\n00:03:51:03 - 00:03:52:16\nare the characters in Venice.\n\n00:03:52:16 - 00:03:54:06\nAnd there's always a current flow of them.\n\n00:03:54:06 - 00:03:58:22\nThey're always, that's not just the\rimmediate community that's more stable,\n\n00:03:58:22 - 00:04:01:11\nbut they're intermixing\rwith this worldwide community\n\n00:04:01:11 - 00:04:02:21\nthat's constantly coming and going.\n\n00:04:02:21 - 00:04:05:13\nIt was just a freedom\rand people were enjoying themselves.\n\n00:04:05:13 - 00:04:09:10\nAnd, you know,\rthere was, there was a...\n\n00:04:09:10 - 00:04:15:06\na sense of ease\rabout not fitting in.\n\n00:04:15:06 - 00:04:17:16\nA sense of...\n\n00:04:17:16 - 00:04:19:02\na sense of place,\n\n00:04:19:02 - 00:04:22:14\nrather than displacement\rand a sense of presence\n\n00:04:22:14 - 00:04:26:20\nrather than a sense of\rdislocation and and disconnection.\n\n00:04:26:20 - 00:04:27:23\nAnd it just always fascinated.\n\n00:04:27:23 - 00:04:31:03\nIt really infused an aspect of me\rthat I really hadn't come to terms with\n\n00:04:31:03 - 00:04:34:02\nand yet had always \rstruggled with, because I\n\n00:04:34:02 - 00:04:37:20\ngrew up in a neighborhood that had a lot\rof conventions and a lot of expectations.\n\n00:04:37:20 - 00:04:40:12\nAnd I tried to break\revery one of those rules.\n\n00:04:40:12 - 00:04:41:20\nAnd, and what I started to realize\n\n00:04:41:20 - 00:04:45:23\nis that Venetians were very,\rthey were discreet exhibitionists.\n\n00:04:45:23 - 00:04:48:16\nWhere on one hand they didn't\ropen themselves up, they didn't\n\n00:04:48:16 - 00:04:51:22\ngo around patting each other on the back\rand meeting neighbors and making nice.\n\n00:04:51:22 - 00:04:53:17\nThey basically minded their own business\n\n00:04:53:17 - 00:04:55:10\nbecause they were all\rproductive in their business.\n\n00:04:55:10 - 00:04:57:23\nThey didn't need to associate in that way.\n\n00:04:57:23 - 00:05:00:22\nSo I, I started doing what \r I wanted to do in the way\n\n00:05:00:22 - 00:05:04:06\nI wanted to do it, and started\rwith a little real estate office.\n\n00:05:04:06 - 00:05:07:15\nI, I, that place,\rmy daughters were with me at times.\n\n00:05:07:15 - 00:05:10:07\nThey would go out on the boardwalk and\rdance and sing and people would give ‘em,\n\n00:05:10:07 - 00:05:11:18\nthey’d make $80, singing.\n\n00:05:11:18 - 00:05:14:22\nThey were nine years old, eight years old,\ryou know, and they're like, this is fun.\n\n00:05:14:22 - 00:05:17:19\nYou had kid street performers.\n\n00:05:17:19 - 00:05:19:08\nYeah.  And they just did it on their own.\n\n00:05:19:08 - 00:05:22:18\nI took off for a day and left them\rin the hands of my neighbor who had a son\n\n00:05:22:18 - 00:05:23:19\nand said, watch over’em.\n\n00:05:23:19 - 00:05:25:18\nBy the time I got back,\rthey raced to the car\n\n00:05:25:18 - 00:05:29:14\nwith their eyes this big and said, this\ris what we did. It was really fun.  And\n\n00:05:29:14 - 00:05:30:17\nI said, Good.\n\n00:05:30:17 - 00:05:33:21\nAnd there were comedians down there\rwho, Michael, I forget his last name,\n\n00:05:33:21 - 00:05:37:14\nwent on to win some national prize\rand ended up being a major comic.\n\n00:05:37:14 - 00:05:40:06\nPeople who were really\rentertaining the audiences out there.\n\n00:05:40:06 - 00:05:43:18\nAnd it was fascinating to me\rbecause not only was I at the edge of this\n\n00:05:43:18 - 00:05:47:20\nbeach on the, on the,\rat the face of those buildings,\n\n00:05:47:20 - 00:05:50:18\nbut it was also witnessing\rthat parade that passed by\n\n00:05:50:18 - 00:05:55:17\nthat was intoxicating in its own way\rin a human way, a very human...\n\n00:05:55:17 - 00:05:56:23\nlevel of awareness.\n\n00:05:56:23 - 00:05:58:15\nThere were people\rcoming from everywhere.\n\n00:05:58:15 - 00:06:00:08\nAnd you could go sit out\rthere and talk to anybody.\n\n00:06:00:08 - 00:06:04:05\nI mean, I remember there were people\rfrom Africa and in complete tribal dress.\n\n00:06:04:05 - 00:06:06:03\n\rYou know, and from just around the world.\n\n00:06:06:03 - 00:06:10:07\nIt was fascinating that here's\rthis little community serving the world\n\n00:06:10:07 - 00:06:14:12\nand actually being completely\roverlooked by the city that it serves.\n\n00:06:14:12 - 00:06:18:16\nI think it was good for them\rbecause they started to see Tony Bill\n\n00:06:18:16 - 00:06:21:14\nas I started working, started\rintroducing me to a lot of kids\n\n00:06:21:14 - 00:06:24:17\nat the time who were well known,\rwho were coming to Venice to be\n\n00:06:24:17 - 00:06:29:12\nin a community that they could live\rin with their fame and not be...\n\n00:06:29:12 - 00:06:30:15\nstalked.\n\n00:06:30:15 - 00:06:33:20\nAnd down here there's a lot of that\rthat tends to go on where people are given\n\n00:06:33:20 - 00:06:36:10\ntheir space and allowance\rand they're treated as people\n\n00:06:36:10 - 00:06:39:16\nrather than celebrities\rand rather than faces.\n\n00:06:39:16 - 00:06:43:03\nAnd I was meeting a lot\rof them and starting to, uhmmm...\n\n00:06:43:03 - 00:06:45:19\nsee this bounty of creativity\rthat was down here.\n\n00:06:45:19 - 00:06:49:04\nI met, Peter Alexander was the first artist\rI met and he said he was a painter.\n\n00:06:49:04 - 00:06:50:20\nAnd I thought, what is this guy painting?\n\n00:06:50:20 - 00:06:52:12\nNever leaves his apartment.\n\n00:06:52:12 - 00:06:55:11\nAnd he lived behind what was at the time,\rthe best pizza on the boardwalk\n\n00:06:55:11 - 00:06:59:18\nat Wave Crest, which was\rDel Cor Pizza, and he lived behind there.\n\n00:06:59:18 - 00:07:00:12\nAnd during the art walk\n\n00:07:00:12 - 00:07:03:03\nI took a group of people,\rincluding some of these young\n\n00:07:03:03 - 00:07:04:16\npeople from New York,\rthat were coming out here\n\n00:07:04:16 - 00:07:07:19\nto start TV shows\rand that, on the Venice Art Walk.\n\n00:07:07:19 - 00:07:12:06\nAnd we went into his studio\rand I said, Oh, you're a painter.\n\n00:07:12:06 - 00:07:15:07\nI said, because I always had these\rincredible conversations with him.\n\n00:07:15:07 - 00:07:20:12\nAnd he was so, he was so funny\rand so, in a way so unexpectedly\n\n00:07:20:12 - 00:07:24:22\nfresh and honest about how he\rsaw things that it really lit me up.\n\n00:07:24:22 - 00:07:29:10\nMy sense is that what's acceptable here\ris what's typically unacceptable.\n\n00:07:29:10 - 00:07:30:17\nAnd in a large way, that's a\n\n00:07:30:17 - 00:07:34:16\nlot of what happens on a\rdeteriorative end to where\n\n00:07:34:16 - 00:07:39:16\ndestruction and death and overdoses\rand violence are accepted as a norm.\n\n00:07:39:16 - 00:07:41:23\nAnd that's part of that thinking.\n\n00:07:41:23 - 00:07:44:10\nI don't think it's the most\rproductive part of that thinking.\n\n00:07:44:10 - 00:07:47:19\nI think it's an example\rof how free things can go\n\n00:07:47:19 - 00:07:51:07\nif they're allowed and\rhow limitations of regard\n\n00:07:51:07 - 00:07:55:04\nand consideration are often\rhelpful rather than harmful.\n\n00:07:55:04 - 00:07:59:11\nAnd today, the idea that restricting\rany of those things is harming them\n\n00:07:59:11 - 00:08:02:05\nis the idea that it's actually\rharming them to be unrestricted.\n\n00:08:02:05 - 00:08:03:17\nBecause when people aren't well intended,\n\n00:08:03:17 - 00:08:05:12\nthey tend to go off\rinto that other direction.\n\n00:08:05:12 - 00:08:09:16\nBut on the other side,\rthe challenge of those...\n\n00:08:09:16 - 00:08:11:16\nprecepts, conventions,\n\n00:08:11:16 - 00:08:15:00\nnorms, is in fact inspiration.\n\n00:08:15:00 - 00:08:17:11\nIt's where the whole idea of \rinnovation and technology.\n\n00:08:17:11 - 00:08:21:05\nWe've been at the forefront\rof every major technological change\n\n00:08:21:05 - 00:08:24:05\nin our country's history, and the world's.\n\n00:08:24:06 - 00:08:27:05\nWe had the first digital arts firm\rthat was ever publicly traded,\n\n00:08:27:05 - 00:08:28:11\nstarted in Venice.\n\n00:08:28:11 - 00:08:34:03\nFirst one, and I knew guys 15 years\rDigital Lab was down here 15 years before\n\n00:08:34:03 - 00:08:39:14\nthat, manipulating images digitally for\rfor advertisers, commercial advertisers.\n\n00:08:39:14 - 00:08:42:04\nSo they could put a car in the top\rof the Empire State Building\n\n00:08:42:04 - 00:08:43:04\nwithout having to put a car\n\n00:08:43:04 - 00:08:45:11\non the top of the Empire\rState Building and photograph it.\n\n00:08:45:11 - 00:08:47:00\nFifteen years before they came.\n\n00:08:47:00 - 00:08:49:12\nIt was 12 years, maybe.\n\n00:08:49:12 - 00:08:53:16\nPretty dramatic and unseen,\rand they were just busy doing their thing.\n\n00:08:53:16 - 00:08:55:01\nAnd so what did they do?\n\n00:08:55:01 - 00:08:58:21\nThey led to a commercial influx of people\rwho came down here that were creative\n\n00:08:58:21 - 00:09:00:03\nand best in their field. \n\n00:09:00:03 - 00:09:02:12\nNot some hack that is trying to get by\n\n00:09:02:12 - 00:09:03:12\nand associate in Venice.\n\n00:09:03:12 - 00:09:06:07\nPeople don't last very long\rdown here who come that way.\n\n00:09:06:07 - 00:09:10:08\nPeople that are willing to go\rand just say, I'm going face first.\n\n00:09:10:08 - 00:09:11:16\nI'm gonna lean into it.\n\n00:09:11:16 - 00:09:14:20\nAnd they, they do really well down here\rbecause they have a complement\n\n00:09:14:20 - 00:09:16:08\nof other people doing the same thing.\n\n00:09:16:08 - 00:09:18:18\nAnd I would say that,\rthat's the standout for Venice.\n\n00:09:18:18 - 00:09:22:07\nWhat people typically say about Venice\ris that it's crazy to live here.\n\n00:09:22:07 - 00:09:26:12\nAnd I would say the thoughts\rthey're having are crazy to think that\n\n00:09:26:12 - 00:09:31:10\nbecause the essence of life is in fact\rbountiful and expansive and unlimited.\n\n00:09:31:10 - 00:09:34:11\nIt isn't something that's\rlimited by the phobias I create\n\n00:09:34:11 - 00:09:36:18\nin my own, my own\rthinking that I'm afraid,\n\n00:09:36:18 - 00:09:39:02\nI’m afraid of the thinking\rrather than the actual reality\n\n00:09:39:02 - 00:09:42:16\nI claim is the, is the \rthing I’m afraid of.\n\n00:09:42:16 - 00:09:46:02\nAnd so down here,\rI think, I think all\n\n00:09:46:02 - 00:09:47:08\neverybody's all in.\n\n00:09:47:08 - 00:09:48:16\n(laughs)\n\n00:09:48:16 - 00:09:50:06\nThere’s very little reluctance.\n\n00:09:50:06 - 00:09:55:04\nAnd yet there's a sense of disconnect\rbecause we haven't quite come to terms\n\n00:09:55:04 - 00:09:59:13\nwith what this community is openly enough\rbecause there's been so much hysteria\n\n00:09:59:13 - 00:10:02:18\ntrying to make believe that\rwhat we are is a paltry group of people\n\n00:10:02:18 - 00:10:05:15\nthat really need to maintain\ran abandoned community by the sea,\n\n00:10:05:15 - 00:10:06:22\nbecause it was once that\n\n00:10:06:22 - 00:10:10:18\nrather than what it has become naturally,\rwhich is very much what it is today,\n\n00:10:10:18 - 00:10:13:07\nis very much aligned with what\rAbbot Kinney originally sought.\n\n00:10:13:07 - 00:10:14:19\nTalk about that.\n\n00:10:14:19 - 00:10:16:08\nHe saw it as a place to tame \n\n00:10:16:08 - 00:10:18:00\nthe Wild West,\n\n00:10:18:00 - 00:10:20:11\nand bring the sophistication of the East.\n\n00:10:20:11 - 00:10:24:03\nAnd that's why that city on the ocean\rfront looks very much like Coney Island\n\n00:10:24:03 - 00:10:25:12\nand all these other cities\n\n00:10:25:12 - 00:10:28:21\non the East Coast that are,\rNew Jersey, that are on the beach.\n\n00:10:28:21 - 00:10:32:05\nVery similar, similar buildings,\rbecause they were built in the era when\n\n00:10:32:05 - 00:10:34:22\nmost of those buildings were built.\n\n00:10:34:22 - 00:10:37:18\nAnd his idea\n\n00:10:37:18 - 00:10:39:19\nwas that it would sophisticate us and tame\n\n00:10:39:19 - 00:10:43:10\nthe Wild West and immediately\rout the door it went hard left.\n\n00:10:43:10 - 00:10:46:02\nAnd they had beauty pageants\rwith, when people didn't\n\n00:10:46:02 - 00:10:48:12\nwear bathing suits in public,\rthey had beauty pageants.\n\n00:10:48:12 - 00:10:51:05\nAnd when drinking wasn't allowed,\rthey had speakeasies.\n\n00:10:51:05 - 00:10:54:19\nAnd we had. we had drug\rrunning or, or, liquor running.\n\n00:10:54:19 - 00:10:57:10\nThere's tunnels built between\rMarket Street and Windward\n\n00:10:57:10 - 00:10:59:10\nwhere they used to\rbring the liquor into market\n\n00:10:59:10 - 00:11:00:15\nand then run it across the tunnel.\n\n00:11:00:15 - 00:11:03:18\nSo if anybody search where they saw it\rgo in, there would be nothing there.\n\n00:11:03:18 - 00:11:05:04\nAnd the tunnels still exist.\n\n00:11:05:04 - 00:11:06:11\nThey're all, they’re all sealed up.\n\n00:11:06:11 - 00:11:07:18\nBut the thinking was there.\n\n00:11:07:18 - 00:11:10:02\nThe thinking was how do we\rdo what we want to do\n\n00:11:10:02 - 00:11:11:07\nand not get caught.\n\n00:11:11:07 - 00:11:14:10\n\rWhich is pretty common today too.\n\n00:11:14:10 - 00:11:17:01\nThe difference is, there is\n\n00:11:17:01 - 00:11:20:00\nthere was a natural growth\rin the direction of the arts.\n\n00:11:20:00 - 00:11:23:03\nThe beatniks and the poets and\n\n00:11:23:03 - 00:11:24:17\nsilent film stars were down here.\n\n00:11:24:17 - 00:11:28:11\nCharlie Chaplin did the first Tramp\rmovie was done at Speedway and Brooks.\n\n00:11:28:11 - 00:11:31:02\nLaurel and Hardy had\ra building at 11 Navy.\n\n00:11:31:02 - 00:11:33:05\nWas, there was a theater downstairs.\n\n00:11:33:05 - 00:11:34:23\nUhmmm...\n\n00:11:34:23 - 00:11:38:18\nOrson Welles did a movie back\rin the ‘50’s on Windward.  Touch of Evil.\n\n00:11:38:18 - 00:11:42:04\nSo all of those people were drawn\rbecause the character of the community\n\n00:11:42:04 - 00:11:45:22\nwas not just the characters\rin the community, but what was built.\n\n00:11:45:22 - 00:11:48:05\nAnd much of what was built\rwas torn down by the city.\n\n00:11:48:05 - 00:11:50:18\nAs soon as it took Venice over\rand the canals were filled in.\n\n00:11:50:18 - 00:11:54:09\nSo the essence of that,\rthat culture that had been created\n\n00:11:54:09 - 00:11:58:23\nby the hands of the people who lived\rhere was wiped out and minimized.\n\n00:11:58:23 - 00:12:01:02\nAnd yet it still exists\rbecause it isn't built...\n\n00:12:01:02 - 00:12:02:09\nit isn't in the buildings.\n\n00:12:02:09 - 00:12:06:16\nThe buildings are infused with the spirit\rof the characters in the, in the community.\n\n00:12:06:16 - 00:12:10:01\nAnd I suspect that is still happening\rtoday and always will.\n\n00:12:10:01 - 00:12:13:19\nI think that's the nature of Venice\rand that's ultimately the unintended\n\n00:12:13:19 - 00:12:17:06\nconsequence of sophisticating\r the Wild West because it didn't become\n\n00:12:17:06 - 00:12:20:01\nwhat he thought it would be.\rIt became what it is.\n\n00:12:20:01 - 00:12:22:03\nAnd there was no\rthere was no way to reign that in.\n\n00:12:22:03 - 00:12:24:21\nAnd he said, you know, people love it.\rI'm going with that.\n\n00:12:24:21 - 00:12:26:22\nMy suspicion is that people stay here\n\n00:12:26:22 - 00:12:30:06\nnot because they always like\rwhat's going on, but because they love it.\n\n00:12:30:06 - 00:12:34:15\nAnd I think that, that love transcends\rall of those personal preferences\n\n00:12:34:15 - 00:12:38:01\nand gives people a sense of cohesiveness\rthat isn't often talked about or\n\n00:12:38:01 - 00:12:40:21\nseen today in communities\rbecause there's so much,\n\n00:12:40:22 - 00:12:44:22\nthere's so much fractured opinions\rthat seem to be at war with each other.\n\n00:12:44:22 - 00:12:46:20\nAnd down here, I think that commonality\n\n00:12:46:20 - 00:12:50:00\nhas always been our nature\rand it will continue to be.\n\n00:12:50:00 - 00:12:54:07\nAnd it's always fresh because it's\ralways new and it's always happening now.\n\n00:12:54:07 - 00:12:56:01\nAlways...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://veniceheritagemuseum.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2416/collection_resources/129345/file/243123#t=0.0,786.688"}]}]}]}