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Grow it up. Definitely.\n\n00:01:55:00 - 00:01:58:08\nAs far as community,\rit's a very tight community.\n\n00:01:58:08 - 00:01:59:07\nIt always has been.\n\n00:01:59:07 - 00:02:02:14\nThere's definitely fractions of the community\n\n00:02:02:14 - 00:02:06:12\nthat people that I've always\rhung out with and been tight with.\n\n00:02:06:12 - 00:02:12:00\nI'm still tight with,\rand we very much back this place.\n\n00:02:12:00 - 00:02:16:00\nI'm always into\rdonating prints to help raise money\n\n00:02:16:00 - 00:02:19:22\nfor causes around here\rand supporting like local surf contests\n\n00:02:19:22 - 00:02:23:15\nand skate contests and\rart shows and things like that.\n\n00:02:23:15 - 00:02:26:16\nAnd I definitely like to give\rback to the community\n\n00:02:26:16 - 00:02:28:00\nthat gave me so much.\n\n00:02:28:00 - 00:02:29:17\nThis place definitely helped mold me.\n\n00:02:29:17 - 00:02:31:18\nMy mom grew up in East L.A.\n\n00:02:31:18 - 00:02:34:15\nand then eventually moved to West L.A.\n\n00:02:34:15 - 00:02:37:05\nMy dad grew up in West L.A.\n\n00:02:37:05 - 00:02:42:15\nThey both, they were like, you know,\rof that hippie era, you know, the Vietnam era.\n\n00:02:42:15 - 00:02:46:04\nAnd they were the people that used\n\n00:02:46:04 - 00:02:49:10\nto come down to Venice and they were like,\roh, my God, this place is so great.\n\n00:02:49:10 - 00:02:50:10\nAnd you know, back then, it was like,\n\n00:02:50:10 - 00:02:54:22\njust completely different\rand they just loved how bohemic it was.\n\n00:02:54:22 - 00:03:00:06\nAnd they were like, they were very much\rnot into conforming, especially my dad.\n\n00:03:00:06 - 00:03:01:15\nThey fell in love with it.\n\n00:03:01:15 - 00:03:03:21\nWanted to move there. Moved there.\n\n00:03:03:21 - 00:03:07:14\nMy dad told me this. He was like,\n\n00:03:07:14 - 00:03:11:10\nI wanted to move there,\rhave a son that skated and surfed\n\n00:03:11:10 - 00:03:13:18\nand that's like, what he got.\rYou know what I mean?\n\n00:03:13:18 - 00:03:14:23\nWithout pushing it on me,\n\n00:03:14:23 - 00:03:17:23\nhe just was really hoping that\rthat's what I was going to be into.\n\n00:03:17:23 - 00:03:19:13\nHe never did.\n\n00:03:19:13 - 00:03:24:16\nHe was a lifeguard at a pool and liked water,\rbut he was never a surfer or a skater.\n\n00:03:24:16 - 00:03:29:15\nBut he lived vicariously through me and\rwas really stoked that I got into that.\n\n00:03:29:15 - 00:03:33:01\nSo, uhmmm.. that's pretty much it.\n\n00:03:33:01 - 00:03:37:03\nWhen they moved here,\rthey immediately meshed with the community.\n\n00:03:37:03 - 00:03:38:21\nLike, they fell in love with it.\n\n00:03:38:21 - 00:03:40:19\nThey wanted to be active in it.\n\n00:03:40:19 - 00:03:43:12\nThey wanted to flow with it.\n\n00:03:43:12 - 00:03:48:07\nMy mom and my dad were\rboth built for this place.\n\n00:03:48:07 - 00:03:51:12\nLike they just absolutely were like,\rthis it, man.\n\n00:03:51:12 - 00:03:53:05\nThis is heaven on earth.\n\n00:03:53:05 - 00:03:55:02\nYou know,\rthey loved walking the boardwalk.\n\n00:03:55:02 - 00:03:59:00\nThey dug it, man. You know, they like\rI said, they dug the whole bohemic vibe.\n\n00:03:59:00 - 00:04:03:01\nWe used to go to like, the barbecues\rand the concerts, at the, at the Pavilion\n\n00:04:03:01 - 00:04:04:11\nand when I was like, \rreally little and all that.\n\n00:04:04:11 - 00:04:07:12\nLike they were into the\rcommunity stuff.  They meshed.\n\n00:04:07:12 - 00:04:11:19\nAnd that's always the big argument,\rit’s like, it's not necessarily\n\n00:04:11:19 - 00:04:13:00\npeople moving in.\n\n00:04:13:00 - 00:04:15:15\nIt's just like\rthe people that are moving in.\n\n00:04:15:15 - 00:04:18:13\nYou know, back\rthen people that were moving in\n\n00:04:18:13 - 00:04:21:08\nwere a lot cooler ‘cause they\rwere all sort of like my parents.\n\n00:04:21:08 - 00:04:22:17\nThey were very bohemic.\n\n00:04:22:17 - 00:04:23:13\nThey liked that\n\n00:04:23:13 - 00:04:25:16\nit was nothing about anything corporate\n\n00:04:25:16 - 00:04:29:16\nor money, you know.\rAnd there was no attitude of entitlement.\n\n00:04:29:16 - 00:04:33:04\nPeople moved in wanting\rto become a part of this place.\n\n00:04:33:04 - 00:04:36:06\nNot wanting to make it\rwhat they think it should be.\n\n00:04:36:06 - 00:04:40:04\nMy dad and mom moved here cause\rthey were like, Fuck where we grew up.\n\n00:04:40:04 - 00:04:41:12\nThis is it.\n\n00:04:41:12 - 00:04:42:19\nThis is cool.\n\n00:04:42:19 - 00:04:45:10\nThis is like lawless in a way.\n\n00:04:45:10 - 00:04:47:10\nAnd, you know, they, they dug that.\n\n00:04:47:10 - 00:04:49:06\nLike I said, my dad, heavily.\n\n00:04:49:06 - 00:04:53:23\nI can't state that enough.  It was, and it got\rpassed down to me hard on that whole vibe.\n\n00:04:53:23 - 00:04:57:00\nI knew why they wanted\rto raise me here because they knew\n\n00:04:57:00 - 00:05:01:09\nthis place was not a place\rwhere you conform or anything like that.\n\n00:05:01:09 - 00:05:05:20\nThey wanted me to\rvery much be a very,\n\n00:05:05:20 - 00:05:08:22\nI don’t know.  An individual. \n\n00:05:08:22 - 00:05:10:01\n\rTo be a one of a kind.\n\n00:05:10:01 - 00:05:11:23\nMe and my friends\rare all one of a kinds.\n\n00:05:11:23 - 00:05:13:08\nWe all have our own style.\n\n00:05:13:08 - 00:05:18:05\nWhat separates Venice from\rother surrounding cities is...\n\n00:05:18:05 - 00:05:23:00\nI personally think we just have\rheavily our own flavor and style.\n\n00:05:23:00 - 00:05:27:11\nAnd no matter how much this place\rgets built up or it gets more sterile\n\n00:05:27:11 - 00:05:31:19\nlooking, there's still a funky\n\n00:05:31:19 - 00:05:36:21\nbohemian side to it, especially\rif you've been here your whole life.\n\n00:05:36:21 - 00:05:38:09\nYou, you know where to find it.\n\n00:05:38:09 - 00:05:41:03\nYou know where it exists.\rAnd it is in you.\n\n00:05:41:03 - 00:05:43:19\nAnd I think we stand out\n\n00:05:43:19 - 00:05:46:22\ncompared to other cities\raround us with that.\n\n00:05:46:22 - 00:05:50:19\nLike, I always say,\rlike, we live in Los Angeles.\n\n00:05:50:19 - 00:05:53:01\nThe county of Los Angeles\ris super diverse.\n\n00:05:53:01 - 00:05:57:14\nVenice, as a city is even more so diverse.\n\n00:05:57:14 - 00:05:58:13\nAs a beach town.\n\n00:05:58:13 - 00:06:00:20\nIt is even more than the rest of L.A.\n\n00:06:00:20 - 00:06:03:08\nIt's more of\ra hodgepodge, you know.\n\n00:06:03:08 - 00:06:06:09\nSo the way I got my nickname\n\n00:06:06:09 - 00:06:08:12\nBagel, is...\n\n00:06:08:12 - 00:06:12:13\nI always tell people I was born\rout of friendly racism.\n\n00:06:12:13 - 00:06:15:05\nAnd like,\ryou can't cancel everyone and everyone\n\n00:06:15:05 - 00:06:20:05\nshould have like a sense of humor\rand just have some sarcasm and realize\n\n00:06:20:05 - 00:06:24:17\nthat this is a Mexican guy saying\rthis to a Jewish kid that are friends.\n\n00:06:24:17 - 00:06:29:00\nSo that's diverse as it is\rright there, and it's all out of fun.\n\n00:06:29:00 - 00:06:32:10\nSo we're down at the breakwater.\n\n00:06:32:10 - 00:06:34:10\nLet's see, it's like...\n\n00:06:34:10 - 00:06:36:03\n‘86 or ‘87.\n\n00:06:36:03 - 00:06:39:12\nIt was definitely right before I was 18.\n\n00:06:39:12 - 00:06:41:01\nSo I was like 16 or 17.\n\n00:06:41:01 - 00:06:42:23\nI don't know the exact time.\n\n00:06:42:23 - 00:06:44:12\nUhmmm...\n\n00:06:44:12 - 00:06:48:15\nAnd...before that my friend Juandy,\n\n00:06:48:15 - 00:06:51:03\nwho nicknamed me,\rJuan Morales,\n\n00:06:51:03 - 00:06:53:01\n and his nickname is Juandy.\n\n00:06:53:01 - 00:06:56:17\nuh...called me JJ.\rThat stood for Jewish Josh.\n\n00:06:56:17 - 00:06:59:22\nSo that's almost as bad as Bagel.\n\n00:06:59:22 - 00:07:04:21\nSo, we were talking shit to each other\rone day just goofing around and\n\n00:07:04:21 - 00:07:09:02\nhe was older than me, and for me to talk\rshit back to him was like, a big thing.\n\n00:07:09:02 - 00:07:13:04\nAnd I was standing my ground\rand he was like, Fuck you, little Jew boy.\n\n00:07:13:04 - 00:07:15:20\nAnd I'm like, Fuck you,\rwetback, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.\n\n00:07:15:20 - 00:07:17:00\nWe're just going back and forth.\n\n00:07:17:00 - 00:07:19:16\nBut like, like laughing\rabout in front of everyone.\n\n00:07:19:16 - 00:07:23:08\nAnd he's like, Fuck you, Jew boy,\ryou little bagel eating motherfucker.\n\n00:07:23:08 - 00:07:25:12\nHe's like, Fuck you, bagel. He's all,\n\n00:07:25:12 - 00:07:28:19\nthat's your nickname, Bagel\rand Juandy nicknamed everybody at the time.\n\n00:07:28:19 - 00:07:29:15\nAnd I just laughed.\n\n00:07:29:15 - 00:07:30:21\nIt was like, You're fucking crazy.\n\n00:07:30:21 - 00:07:33:19\nWho's even gonna to call someone bagel?\n\n00:07:33:19 - 00:07:35:06\nAnd the next day he had\n\n00:07:35:06 - 00:07:39:03\neveryone call me Bagel.\rAnd I'm 52 and it's stuck ever since.\n\n00:07:39:03 - 00:07:41:06\nIt's never gone away, ever.\n\n00:07:41:06 - 00:07:43:09\nIt is literally a part of my life.\n\n00:07:43:09 - 00:07:46:04\nLike, I couldn't get rid of it\rif I wanted to.\n\n00:07:46:04 - 00:07:52:01\nVenice did it bold by style of photography\rbecause of the aesthetics of Venice.\n\n00:07:52:01 - 00:07:55:03\nI was, my brain...\n\n00:07:55:03 - 00:07:58:01\nis very much a documentary brain.\n\n00:07:58:01 - 00:08:00:21\nWhen I take pictures, it's\rmore that than looking\n\n00:08:00:21 - 00:08:04:18\nat the artistic side of something,\rbut knowing how to make art out of that.\n\n00:08:04:18 - 00:08:07:17\nAnd, I like I, I\n\n00:08:07:20 - 00:08:11:08\nwhen I was a kid, I loved war photography.\rThat was my huge influence.\n\n00:08:11:08 - 00:08:12:22\nI just thought it was really interesting\n\n00:08:12:22 - 00:08:15:05\nand I tripped out that\rpeople actually did that for a living.\n\n00:08:15:05 - 00:08:19:00\nBut then as I got older,\rI also saw the beauty in it\n\n00:08:19:00 - 00:08:22:05\nof the fucked up side of war.\n\n00:08:22:05 - 00:08:25:20\nLike, it can be artistic\rin a really screwed up way.\n\n00:08:25:20 - 00:08:30:16\nVenice is 100% that.\rWhen we were growing up it was decayed,\n\n00:08:30:16 - 00:08:34:19\nit was fucked up, \rgritty, you know, grainy.\n\n00:08:34:19 - 00:08:39:15\nIt went with all of that and like to take\rphotos at that time was heaven to me.\n\n00:08:39:15 - 00:08:44:23\nBecause it looked like a semi war zone\rand it was just perfect to get all that.\n\n00:08:44:23 - 00:08:48:02\nI woulda hated taking\rpictures of really colorful,\n\n00:08:48:02 - 00:08:51:04\nslick, you know, sanitized things.\n\n00:08:51:04 - 00:08:52:06\nIt's just not my trip.\n\n00:08:52:06 - 00:08:54:11\nAnd that is not where we grew up.\n\n00:08:54:11 - 00:08:58:05\nSo, aesthetically,\rthis place meshed really well with the way\n\n00:08:58:05 - 00:09:01:07\nthat my brain processed\rwanting to take pictures.\n\n00:09:01:07 - 00:09:04:16\nAnd I got just very lucky on that,\rthat that was the case,\n\n00:09:04:16 - 00:09:06:17\nthat I grew up in the area\rwhere I could shoot every day\n\n00:09:06:17 - 00:09:08:22\nand just get what I want\rbecause it was just there.\n\n00:09:08:22 - 00:09:11:16\nLike if something got\rknocked down or fucked up,\n\n00:09:11:16 - 00:09:13:08\nI was like, even better man.\n\n00:09:13:08 - 00:09:15:00\nYou know what I mean. \rIf there's trash laying in front\n\n00:09:15:00 - 00:09:16:19\nof the ramps, I’m like, perfect.\n\n00:09:16:19 - 00:09:20:07\nYou know, burned down\rtrash cans, buildings, all that, it was...\n\n00:09:20:07 - 00:09:21:16\nThat's perfect to me.\n\n00:09:21:16 - 00:09:22:07\nI love it.\n\n00:09:22:07 - 00:09:24:09\nI see the beauty in it, you know.\n\n00:09:24:09 - 00:09:28:05\nI always see the beauty in the\rfucked up side of things like that.\n\n00:09:28:05 - 00:09:31:10\nAnd there was a lot of fucked up\rthings around here growing up\n\n00:09:31:10 - 00:09:33:21\nthat I saw as beautiful in certain ways.\n\n00:09:33:21 - 00:09:35:22\nVenice...\n\n00:09:35:22 - 00:09:37:20\ndefinitely...\n\n00:09:37:20 - 00:09:40:20\nwas an influence on the surf skate culture\n\n00:09:40:20 - 00:09:44:13\nand today's\rskate culture in a massive way.\n\n00:09:44:13 - 00:09:49:09\nEspecially guys like Jay Adams\rwho were trying to do,\n\n00:09:49:09 - 00:09:52:19\nyou know, skate tricks in the water\n\n00:09:52:19 - 00:09:57:01\nbefore guys like Christian Fletcher,\rwho ended up perfecting it\n\n00:09:57:01 - 00:10:00:04\nwere doing bigger\rskate tricks in the water, you know.\n\n00:10:00:04 - 00:10:02:23\nBut it all started from like guys like Jay.\n\n00:10:02:23 - 00:10:04:20\nUhmmm...\n\n00:10:04:20 - 00:10:06:23\nAnd there was other people, obviously.\n\n00:10:06:23 - 00:10:09:00\nUhmmm...\n\n00:10:09:00 - 00:10:11:06\nBut, I would say 100%\n\n00:10:11:06 - 00:10:13:21\nWe definitely influenced the world.\n\n00:10:13:21 - 00:10:17:19\nNow older and being someone that\rused to take a lot of old skate photos\n\n00:10:17:19 - 00:10:21:03\nand blah, blah and all that stuff\rlike old surf shots, old skate shots.\n\n00:10:21:03 - 00:10:26:00\nI get people from all over the world,\rnationwide, city wide,\n\n00:10:26:00 - 00:10:31:13\nthat, you know, statewide, that contact me\revery day, usually on social media\n\n00:10:31:13 - 00:10:35:11\nthat tell me like, you guys\rwere such a huge influence.\n\n00:10:35:11 - 00:10:36:02\nYou know...\n\n00:10:36:02 - 00:10:38:10\nOh my God.\rLike, you have no idea what it meant.\n\n00:10:38:10 - 00:10:40:06\nWhen we, like, looked at those magazines\n\n00:10:40:06 - 00:10:42:06\n\rgrowing up and realizing\n\n00:10:42:06 - 00:10:45:20\nthat we were a way\rbigger influence than we ever thought.\n\n00:10:45:20 - 00:10:48:15\nYou know, because of\rsocial media and stuff like that.\n\n00:10:48:15 - 00:10:51:13\nAnd like, if there would have been social media \rback then, we absolutely would’ve known.\n\n00:10:51:13 - 00:10:54:09\nBut we were sort of clueless\rto like, how far it was going.\n\n00:10:54:09 - 00:10:55:08\nAnd it's a trip.\n\n00:10:55:08 - 00:10:59:04\nWhen people from other countries\rtell you that, you know, and they really like,\n\n00:10:59:04 - 00:11:02:11\ngo, God, I wish I would’ve\rgrew up there and I've watched you and,\n\n00:11:02:11 - 00:11:04:21\nyou know.  I watched you guys grow up,\n\n00:11:04:21 - 00:11:08:14\nvicariously through the videos\rand magazines and blah,\n\n00:11:08:14 - 00:11:09:14\nblah, blah, blah, blah.\n\n00:11:09:14 - 00:11:13:08\nAnd we're like, in Sweden,\rjust going, God, that's so cool.\n\n00:11:13:08 - 00:11:15:05\nYou know, Venice in Southern California.\n\n00:11:15:05 - 00:11:17:12\nThey envied it in a cool way.\n\n00:11:17:12 - 00:11:19:01\nYou mentioned Jay Adams\n\n00:11:19:01 - 00:11:23:00\na little bit earlier,\rand we know as far as the actual sports,\n\n00:11:23:00 - 00:11:26:18\nbut then there was some stuff about like\rnot so much fashion, but just his style\n\n00:11:26:18 - 00:11:30:08\nand how he blended cultures and how\rthat spread into what's now skate wear.\n\n00:11:30:08 - 00:11:33:21\nThe story has always sort of gone\n\n00:11:33:21 - 00:11:37:00\nthat the influence and the emulation\n\n00:11:37:00 - 00:11:42:16\nwith clothing, with skating,\rthat Jay started emulating,\n\n00:11:42:16 - 00:11:44:19\nlike, the way that the gangsters\n\n00:11:44:19 - 00:11:45:10\nwere dressing,\n\n00:11:45:10 - 00:11:49:13\nyou know, like the baggy Dickies and the\rbutton up shirt and that whole style.\n\n00:11:49:13 - 00:11:51:04\nAnd...\n\n00:11:51:04 - 00:11:53:02\nhe took that\n\n00:11:53:02 - 00:11:58:20\nto like skating and then\rSuicidal Tendencies, the band,\n\n00:11:58:20 - 00:12:02:20\nstarted dressing that way,\rand he was an influence on them.\n\n00:12:02:20 - 00:12:04:13\nAnd then it sort of spread from there.\n\n00:12:04:13 - 00:12:06:14\nBut as far as where we grew up,\n\n00:12:06:14 - 00:12:10:13\nI have always been told\rthat was sort of the start of that.\n\n00:12:10:13 - 00:12:13:06\nBy the time it got to\n\n00:12:13:06 - 00:12:16:13\nour generation,\ryou're like, say like ten years later,\n\n00:12:16:13 - 00:12:18:10\n11 years later, that was sort of the norm.\n\n00:12:18:10 - 00:12:21:03\nAnd it was like you just wore everything\rthat you wore everything from like\n\n00:12:21:03 - 00:12:25:22\njust surf clothes to like gangster style\rfashion and mix it all up.\n\n00:12:25:22 - 00:12:28:18\nLike we mixed it all, you know.\rWhich was pretty cool.\n\n00:12:28:18 - 00:12:32:12\nThen, I would say, by the ‘90’s,\rthe early 90’s,\n\n00:12:32:12 - 00:12:36:18\nwe all really went heavily\rmore into like, the gangster\n\n00:12:36:18 - 00:12:40:05\nlook and emulated what the\rgangsters were wearing at that time.\n\n00:12:40:05 - 00:12:42:23\nMore than even anything,\rsurf or  skate culture.\n\n00:12:42:23 - 00:12:48:19\nWe sort of rebelled against that\rlook by the time we're at like, your talking, ‘90, ’91,\n\n00:12:48:19 - 00:12:53:00\nyou know, ‘92, so that’s\rlike I'm 20, 21, 22 at that point.\n\n00:12:53:00 - 00:12:55:11\nThat's, you look at old photos of me then\n\n00:12:55:11 - 00:12:58:05\nand that's what my friends and I\rwere wearing at that point.\n\n00:12:58:05 - 00:13:02:07\nYou look at old photos in the ‘80’s,\rit's like you see a big mix of that.\n\n00:13:02:07 - 00:13:02:19\nYou know. \n\n00:13:02:19 - 00:13:04:08\nWe have our own style and flavor.\n\n00:13:04:08 - 00:13:05:12\nWe just stand out.\n\n00:13:05:12 - 00:13:06:13\nWe do.\n\n00:13:06:13 - 00:13:10:09\nWe have, we definitely\rhave an arrogance about it,\n\n00:13:10:09 - 00:13:13:19\nand it's only because\rit's in defense of the fact that, like\n\n00:13:13:19 - 00:13:18:13\nwe've been kicked around so long\rthat people hated on us for so long\n\n00:13:18:13 - 00:13:21:11\nand now they love the place\rbecause it's safer.\n\n00:13:21:11 - 00:13:23:07\nSo now it's all Venice, Venice, Venice.\n\n00:13:23:07 - 00:13:28:09\nIt's like, Yeah, but like, it's been that\rand it was way cooler back then\n\n00:13:28:09 - 00:13:32:12\nand you guys just were too afraid\rto even come down here and check it out.\n\n00:13:32:12 - 00:13:35:08\nDon't go off of what's in the brochure.\n\n00:13:35:08 - 00:13:37:23\nLike, look for the shit\rthat's not on the brochure.\n\n00:13:37:23 - 00:13:39:07\nThe shit on the brochure\n\n00:13:39:07 - 00:13:43:16\nis, that's, you could see that in a movie\ror on TV or something like that.\n\n00:13:43:16 - 00:13:47:11\nYou got to go find the cool stuff.\rThe underground stuff, and get in\n\n00:13:47:11 - 00:13:51:20\nwith the right people and stuff like that\rand just know where to look for it.\n\n00:13:51:20 - 00:13:53:23\nIt, it still has\n\n00:13:53:23 - 00:13:58:19\nan extremely cool quality to it again,\rif you know where to look for it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://veniceheritagemuseum.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2416/collection_resources/129348/file/242880#t=0.0,848.34133"}]}]}]}