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00:00:10:06\n \rJanuary 19th, 1944.\n\n00:00:10:06 - 00:00:14:14\nI can't remember how I ended up here,\rbut I think in L.A.,\n\n00:00:14:14 - 00:00:17:20\nit was just sniffing\rand you had kind of a sense\n\n00:00:17:20 - 00:00:22:12\nof where the creative world was\rat the time in Los Angeles.\n\n00:00:22:12 - 00:00:23:21\nAnd L.A. is a midwestern city.\n\n00:00:23:21 - 00:00:25:16\nIt's a very conservative place.\n\n00:00:25:16 - 00:00:27:03\nEverybody came from the Midwest.\n\n00:00:27:03 - 00:00:30:10\nIn fact, statistically, it’s Iowa and \rIndianna and all that kind of thing, right?\n\n00:00:30:10 - 00:00:34:13\nAnyway, there was a,\rit was kind of understood in L.A.\n\n00:00:34:13 - 00:00:37:15\nthat you're going to be in\rSilver Lake or Venice, at that time.\n\n00:00:37:15 - 00:00:41:02\nIt was just knowing that that's where\n\n00:00:41:02 - 00:00:45:21\nthe creative world was, writers,\rmusic, artists, architects, etc.\n\n00:00:45:21 - 00:00:49:19\nI ended up over the bait\rand tackle shop in a little apartment,\n\n00:00:49:19 - 00:00:52:02\nbut it's like 100...\rWhere is that?\n\n00:00:52:02 - 00:00:57:02\nOn, on, at the pier on Washington Boulevard\rand I’m above the bait and tackle shop.\n\n00:00:57:02 - 00:01:01:14\nAnd, uhmmm, it's \rmaybe $150 or $200.\n\n00:01:01:14 - 00:01:02:22\nThat's, that's part of the deal.\n\n00:01:02:22 - 00:01:04:03\nIt’s inexpensive.\n\n00:01:04:03 - 00:01:08:15\nAnd I'm a struggling architect\rand I'm broke and I'm, etc.\n\n00:01:08:15 - 00:01:10:08\nIt's, it’s, it’s doable.\n\n00:01:10:08 - 00:01:12:23\nAnd uhmmm...\n\n00:01:12:23 - 00:01:14:15\nI just showed up there.\n\n00:01:14:15 - 00:01:18:00\nBecause I remember the first thing I did\ris took all the cabinet doors away,\n\n00:01:18:00 - 00:01:21:02\npainted the whole thing black,\rand kind of made my world.\n\n00:01:21:02 - 00:01:25:22\nAnd again, I’m this guy\rthat just left this young marriage\n\n00:01:25:22 - 00:01:28:18\nand I'm starting my life as a single guy\n\n00:01:28:18 - 00:01:33:11\nand I'm 24 and\n\n00:01:33:11 - 00:01:37:11\nmy memory is I'm buying dishes\rand pots and pans and learning how to cook\n\n00:01:37:11 - 00:01:38:01\nand that kind of stuff.\n\n00:01:38:01 - 00:01:39:17\nAnd I had my first little kind of place.\n\n00:01:39:17 - 00:01:43:05\nAnd at that time \rit was just, uhmmm...\n\n00:01:43:05 - 00:01:46:11\nit was kind of amazing\r for, again, who I am.\n\n00:01:46:11 - 00:01:52:17\nAnd I'm in Venice now and it is\rVenice at the end of the ‘60’s.\n\n00:01:52:17 - 00:01:54:10\nAnd the beaches were topless.\n\n00:01:54:10 - 00:01:57:05\nAnd it's, it’s, it is counterculture.\n\n00:01:57:05 - 00:01:58:22\nWhere you're about to meet a whole bunch\n\n00:01:58:22 - 00:02:03:14\nof people that are part of your world, art\rand architecture in my case.\n\n00:02:03:14 - 00:02:07:21\nAnd it's, it's people of that group\n\n00:02:07:21 - 00:02:08:17\nwhich needed\n\n00:02:08:17 - 00:02:11:18\na certain lifestyle,\rwhich is also economic.\n\n00:02:11:18 - 00:02:15:05\nYou can afford to live here\rand at that time\n\n00:02:15:05 - 00:02:19:15\nthis is pre tourist,\rthe tourists were weekends\n\n00:02:19:15 - 00:02:21:12\nGold's Gym nobody knew about.\n\n00:02:21:12 - 00:02:24:15\nI was working out there and\rit was just a funky little gym \n\n00:02:24:15 - 00:02:26:22\nand Schwarzenegger was there, \rbut nobody knew him.\n\n00:02:26:22 - 00:02:28:15\n\rThis is the beginning of everything.\n\n00:02:28:15 - 00:02:30:13\nAnd it was it was actually on Pacific.\n\n00:02:30:13 - 00:02:33:13\nAnd, uhmm, Dupars was the cafe\n\n00:02:33:13 - 00:02:35:13\nand you, just, that's \rjust where you ate.\n\n00:02:35:13 - 00:02:39:12\nAnd you had a laundromat\rand you had places that knew you.\n\n00:02:39:12 - 00:02:40:23\nAnd it was still local.\n\n00:02:40:23 - 00:02:41:17\nYou lived here.\n\n00:02:41:17 - 00:02:46:04\nAnd the various cafes\rtook care of the homeless.\n\n00:02:46:04 - 00:02:49:07\nBecause I remember,\r I still remember, very particularly\n\n00:02:49:07 - 00:02:52:20\ngoing to certain places and one guy \rwould get a coffee and toast.\n\n00:02:52:20 - 00:02:54:18\nAnd there would,\rthey’re very personal still.\n\n00:02:54:18 - 00:02:57:12\nAnd there was a ratio\n\n00:02:57:12 - 00:03:00:18\nof, of types of people here.\n\n00:03:00:18 - 00:03:03:03\nAnd, it was sketchy.\n\n00:03:03:03 - 00:03:03:22\nUhmmm...because\n\n00:03:03:22 - 00:03:08:00\nafter the, the bait and \rtackle shop, well below that\n\n00:03:08:00 - 00:03:09:20\nI forget the name\rbut now the bar there.\n\n00:03:09:20 - 00:03:12:22\nIt’s a, it was a biker bar.\n\n00:03:12:22 - 00:03:15:01\nAnd, uhmmm...\n\n00:03:15:01 - 00:03:17:04\n\rI  had friends at USC,\n\n00:03:17:04 - 00:03:18:17\nit was a school of architecture,\n\n00:03:18:17 - 00:03:22:00\nthat wouldn't come to \rsocial events to my house.\n\n00:03:22:00 - 00:03:26:22\nAnd would definately\rnot go to the biker bar.\n\n00:03:26:22 - 00:03:29:02\nBecause there would be times... \n\n00:03:29:02 - 00:03:30:20\nthings happen, and stuff,right.\n\n00:03:30:20 - 00:03:32:08\nAnd it was kind of sketchy.\n\n00:03:32:08 - 00:03:33:17\nAnd uhmmm...\n\n00:03:33:17 - 00:03:37:08\nBut at the same time\rit was just completely comfortable.\n\n00:03:37:08 - 00:03:39:17\nYou were, you were young,\ryou're ready for that.\n\n00:03:39:17 - 00:03:42:23\nAnd there was, it was filled\rwith really interesting people.\n\n00:03:42:23 - 00:03:44:12\nAnd uhmmm... \n\n00:03:44:12 - 00:03:46:01\nThere was a vibrancy\n\n00:03:46:01 - 00:03:49:18\nthat you just, it wasn't even kind of\ryou were conscious of it.\n\n00:03:49:18 - 00:03:51:08\nYou just took it\rfor granted somehow.\n\n00:03:51:08 - 00:03:54:01\nIt’s where you found eccentricity.\n\n00:03:54:01 - 00:03:57:20\nThe characters that showed up at\rthe boardwalk reading poetry\n\n00:03:57:20 - 00:04:00:15\nand doing music and that\rwhole scene and at the beginning\n\n00:04:00:15 - 00:04:01:04\nit was really lovely.\n\n00:04:01:04 - 00:04:02:22\n\rIt turned into something else.\n\n00:04:02:22 - 00:04:04:17\nThen as it got\rmore commercialized,\n\n00:04:04:17 - 00:04:07:23\nAnd again, it’s, \rit was, it was the,\n\n00:04:07:23 - 00:04:11:20\nit was the epicenter\rof the ‘60’s and ‘70’s.\n\n00:04:11:20 - 00:04:13:13\nAnd so it was filled with that,\n\n00:04:13:13 - 00:04:17:06\nthat particular form of, at the time,\n\n00:04:17:06 - 00:04:20:14\nwhatever the, the broad\rnotion of counterculture.\n\n00:04:20:14 - 00:04:25:01\nAnd so it was definitely\rconnected with a political,\n\n00:04:25:01 - 00:04:28:02\ncultural, social glue\n\n00:04:28:02 - 00:04:30:12\nthat connected the whole place.\n\n00:04:30:12 - 00:04:31:08\nVariations...\n\n00:04:31:08 - 00:04:33:13\nI'm not saying it's\rso similar at all.\n\n00:04:33:13 - 00:04:37:10\nVariations of that basic\rkind of sensibility\n\n00:04:37:10 - 00:04:42:01\nwas a connective tissue,\rwhich all had to do with a\n\n00:04:42:01 - 00:04:44:17\na resistance and a\n\n00:04:44:17 - 00:04:48:01\nthe basic kind of tenets\rof what was going on in the ‘60’s\n\n00:04:48:01 - 00:04:52:01\nthat had to do with,\rkind of reconfiguring\n\n00:04:52:01 - 00:04:57:10\nthe nature of our, of our, of \rour culture and the nature of our\n\n00:04:57:10 - 00:05:00:02\nof what it meant\rto be part of this culture.\n\n00:05:00:02 - 00:05:03:18\nAnd uhmmm, and definitely kind of\n\n00:05:03:18 - 00:05:07:06\nopening it up and and relaxing it a bit.\n\n00:05:07:06 - 00:05:09:18\nAnd again, it was all endemic.\n\n00:05:09:18 - 00:05:13:21\nAnd music and film\rand, and in the arts of all types.\n\n00:05:13:21 - 00:05:17:02\nAt that time, it was\rit was accessible to young people.\n\n00:05:17:02 - 00:05:20:00\nThe demographic would be quite\n\n00:05:20:00 - 00:05:23:14\non the low end age wise.\n\n00:05:23:14 - 00:05:26:23\nYou'd have young people here.\rA huge, a lot of young people.\n\n00:05:26:23 - 00:05:30:08\nBecause it was accessible, right?\n\n00:05:30:08 - 00:05:32:14\nAnd that certainly\rhad a lot to do it.\n\n00:05:32:14 - 00:05:33:12\nThere were a whole\rgroup of us here.\n\n00:05:33:12 - 00:05:38:09\nAnd we were all in our\rmiddle, late twenties, etc.\n\n00:05:38:09 - 00:05:42:09\nAnd we were all in the middle of our,\ror the beginning of our exploration\n\n00:05:42:09 - 00:05:43:18\nof, of our own work.\n\n00:05:43:18 - 00:05:47:04\nAnd, again, like Berlin\n\n00:05:47:04 - 00:05:50:19\nat a certain period\rof time, before unification,\n\n00:05:50:19 - 00:05:53:21\nit was a fascinating city\rbecause everything was subsidized.\n\n00:05:53:21 - 00:05:55:08\nIt was the only artist there.\n\n00:05:55:08 - 00:05:59:21\nAnd it was a really weird city\rthat had this huge number of\n\n00:05:59:21 - 00:06:01:04\nmusicians and painters\n\n00:06:01:04 - 00:06:04:07\nand sculptors, etc., right?\rbecause they were all subsidized.\n\n00:06:04:07 - 00:06:05:00\nRight?\n\n00:06:05:00 - 00:06:06:07\nAnd this place was\n\n00:06:06:07 - 00:06:10:01\nkind of interesting that way\rbecause they had kind of a huge ratio.\n\n00:06:10:01 - 00:06:12:11\nAgain, I assume you're\rtalking to a lot of people.\n\n00:06:12:11 - 00:06:17:04\nAmazing amount of kind of artists,\rarchitects, writers, etc., were living in Venice\n\n00:06:17:04 - 00:06:18:01\nat the time.\n\n00:06:18:01 - 00:06:21:00\nDoug Chrismas was,\rhis Ace Galleries.\n\n00:06:21:00 - 00:06:25:12\nHe's opening up galleries\rand he is a, kind of a, Robin Hood character\n\n00:06:25:12 - 00:06:28:15\nthat literally discovered\n\n00:06:28:15 - 00:06:31:02\nmost of the key characters that are now\n\n00:06:31:02 - 00:06:35:09\naccepted as the most serious\rartists of the 20th century.\n\n00:06:35:09 - 00:06:37:15\nHe was giving them\rtheir first show, actually.\n\n00:06:37:15 - 00:06:42:07\nActually, we ended up using one of his buildings\rfor the 72 Market Street, which I ended up\n\n00:06:42:07 - 00:06:43:17\nbeing the architect for.\n\n00:06:43:17 - 00:06:48:07\nBut he was using\runused commercial buildings\n\n00:06:48:07 - 00:06:51:22\nThat absentee tenants would take them\rand make them into galleries.\n\n00:06:51:22 - 00:06:52:21\nThey weren’t his.\n\n00:06:52:21 - 00:06:56:04\nJust occupied them. Paint them\rwhite and have shows.\n\n00:06:56:04 - 00:07:00:05\nBut it was, it was\rHeizer and Tyrrell\n\n00:07:00:05 - 00:07:03:11\nand Irwin, these\rmajor characters.\n\n00:07:03:11 - 00:07:04:06\nRight.\n\n00:07:04:06 - 00:07:10:12\nAnd I remember, wow,\rthis must have been in middle ‘70’s.\n\n00:07:10:12 - 00:07:11:18\nI'm seeing\n\n00:07:11:18 - 00:07:16:12\nthis scrim piece by Irwin\ron Market Street\n\n00:07:16:12 - 00:07:20:02\nand he just takes these\rbuildings and just uses them.\n\n00:07:20:02 - 00:07:21:11\nGet it done.\n\n00:07:21:11 - 00:07:24:14\nAnd it was just, you know, it\rbeing one of his kind of major pieces.\n\n00:07:24:14 - 00:07:28:08\nAnd it was launched and it was\rone of the major figure in art.\n\n00:07:28:08 - 00:07:30:09\nAnd then right next door was Turrell.\n\n00:07:30:09 - 00:07:33:11\nAnd they were these three\rdigging, kind of these holes,\n\n00:07:33:11 - 00:07:35:18\nwhich again, I think it was\rone of his first big shows.\n\n00:07:35:18 - 00:07:38:17\nAnd then, I think it was Heizer.\n\n00:07:38:17 - 00:07:41:16\nHe took the Bank of America,\rand it's empty.\n\n00:07:41:16 - 00:07:42:23\nHe just takes it.\n\n00:07:42:23 - 00:07:44:21\n\rPaints it white, takes the door down,\n\n00:07:44:21 - 00:07:46:23\nputs this huge boulder.\n\n00:07:46:23 - 00:07:49:14\nIt was, I’m across the street.\n\n00:07:49:14 - 00:07:50:18\nI'm going to see the show.\n\n00:07:50:18 - 00:07:53:03\nAnd the police came to\rshut it down and he didn't care\n\n00:07:53:03 - 00:07:55:01\nbecause he didn't have any building\rpermits and all that kind of stuff.\n\n00:07:55:01 - 00:07:57:16\nAnd it was just, there was\rthat kind of stuff going on.\n\n00:07:57:16 - 00:08:01:14\nAnd I remember I was\rteaching at the time at SCI-Arc\n\n00:08:01:14 - 00:08:03:22\nbringing my class down, going,\n\n00:08:03:22 - 00:08:05:20\nthese are guys\rthat are really experimenting\n\n00:08:05:20 - 00:08:07:12\nand architecture\ris kind of dead right now.\n\n00:08:07:12 - 00:08:09:17\nAnd you got to be looking\rat the art world to look at\n\n00:08:09:17 - 00:08:11:07\nthe kind of questions\rthey’re asking.\n\n00:08:11:07 - 00:08:13:12\nIt all kind of added up\rto a certain kind of energy\n\n00:08:13:12 - 00:08:16:11\nbecause there were these\rmultiple things kind of taking place.\n\n00:08:16:11 - 00:08:18:20\nAnd then there, of course,\rthere were the certain people here,\n\n00:08:18:20 - 00:08:21:19\na lot of which are now\rkind of very well known\n\n00:08:21:19 - 00:08:24:21\nbecause Frank Gehry has a little studio\rand he's just a small office\n\n00:08:24:21 - 00:08:26:22\nand nobody knows him\rand he’s doing these little houses.\n\n00:08:26:22 - 00:08:29:04\nHe's on, he has\ra little studio on Brooks.\n\n00:08:29:04 - 00:08:32:12\nAnd Craig Hodges and Robert Mangurian\rand had another place\n\n00:08:32:12 - 00:08:35:08\nI forget, right from the parking lot.\n\n00:08:35:08 - 00:08:37:22\nAnd of course, Coy Howard\rwas here and all again,\n\n00:08:37:22 - 00:08:40:00\nthe whole, huge\rart scene was here.\n\n00:08:40:00 - 00:08:41:04\n\rIt was never better.\n\n00:08:41:04 - 00:08:42:19\nNever better time of my life.\n\n00:08:42:19 - 00:08:44:16\nI'm two blocks from the ocean.\n\n00:08:44:16 - 00:08:48:23\nI have this incredible,\rI have 4000 foot space that I have, myself.\n\n00:08:48:23 - 00:08:53:11\nAnd I’m paying $350 or something\rand something I can afford to live in.\n\n00:08:53:11 - 00:08:55:15\nAnd I have this kind\rof community around me.\n\n00:08:55:15 - 00:08:56:18\nI had my cafes. \n\n00:08:56:18 - 00:08:59:01\nUhmmm...Rose Cafe,\n\n00:08:59:01 - 00:09:03:17\nI was going there since it’s open.\rI think it's ‘72, ’73, ‘74.\n\n00:09:03:17 - 00:09:08:02\nThese two Indian guys that always\n\n00:09:08:02 - 00:09:10:19\ntakes them forever to choose a chair.\n\n00:09:10:19 - 00:09:11:19\nThat’s my living room.\n\n00:09:11:19 - 00:09:15:13\nLiterally, still people,\rwhen I see people today\n\n00:09:15:13 - 00:09:19:13\nthey expect me to be at Rose Cafe\rbecause they're so used to me in breakfast.\n\n00:09:19:13 - 00:09:23:07\nI was at the Rose Cafe for three decades.\n\n00:09:23:07 - 00:09:24:15\nThat's my morning three.\n\n00:09:24:15 - 00:09:26:18\nAnd then Frank was there.\rPeter Alexander,\n\n00:09:26:18 - 00:09:30:17\nI could rattle all the characters\rEd Ruscha, all the characters that showed up.\n\n00:09:30:17 - 00:09:32:22\nAnd it was kind of a scene here.\n\n00:09:32:22 - 00:09:35:03\nAnd it was,\n\n00:09:35:03 - 00:09:37:23\nit was a, it was a cultural place.\n\n00:09:37:23 - 00:09:38:19\nIt's not a restaurant.\n\n00:09:38:19 - 00:09:42:06\nIt was a, it was a part of a community.\n\n00:09:42:06 - 00:09:42:23\nAll right.\n\n00:09:42:23 - 00:09:45:23\nAnd uhmmm... \rVenice was that.\n\n00:09:45:23 - 00:09:46:17\nIt was right...\n\n00:09:46:17 - 00:09:48:21\nIt was just amazing in those terms.\n\n00:09:48:21 - 00:09:51:05\nAnd uhmmm...\n\n00:09:51:05 - 00:09:53:08\nit just was at the right place.\n\n00:09:53:08 - 00:09:55:13\nIt just took place at the right time.\n\n00:09:55:13 - 00:09:59:05\nAnd again, it's this unique thing of,\ryou’re on the ocean.\n\n00:09:59:05 - 00:10:02:19\nIt's Venice, there's a housing stock,\rthere's industrial buildings,\n\n00:10:02:19 - 00:10:04:23\nlike I'm in an \rindustrial building, my studio.\n\n00:10:04:23 - 00:10:08:12\nAnd so it’s the right type of environment\rfor the kind of people that are,\n\n00:10:08:12 - 00:10:09:18\nthat are coming here.\n\n00:10:09:18 - 00:10:11:17\nAnd, and it’s available.\n\n00:10:11:17 - 00:10:17:03\nUhmmm...and it's, it’s kind of empty.\n\n00:10:17:03 - 00:10:20:01\nIt's waiting to be filled with something.\n\n00:10:20:01 - 00:10:24:02\nAnd it was just the right time,\rright place, circumstance\n\n00:10:24:02 - 00:10:28:02\nthat, that, takes place at \rcertain times that you can't control.\n\n00:10:28:02 - 00:10:29:19\nBecause again, what was going on with\n\n00:10:29:19 - 00:10:32:16\nas these people showed up\rand there was enough of them,\n\n00:10:32:16 - 00:10:33:19\ncame\n\n00:10:33:19 - 00:10:39:15\nthe other institutions, the cafes and the\rthat, that were the connective tissue.\n\n00:10:39:15 - 00:10:40:05\nRight.\n\n00:10:40:05 - 00:10:43:12\nThey were they were part\rof it making it a community.\n\n00:10:43:12 - 00:10:45:01\nAnd then again, it was just kind of weird.\n\n00:10:45:01 - 00:10:46:16\nMaybe it's very L.A.\n\n00:10:46:16 - 00:10:50:12\nBoth isolated and\rhidden away and community.\n\n00:10:50:12 - 00:10:54:13\nAnd it's some complicated mix of that.\rBecause I think most of the people\n\n00:10:54:13 - 00:10:57:15\nI knew, I thought, we all \rthought were kind of hidden away.\n\n00:10:57:15 - 00:10:59:16\nAnd we were, it was kind of very private.\n\n00:10:59:16 - 00:11:03:19\nWe had our own little studio and\rwe had no interest in address or a place.\n\n00:11:03:19 - 00:11:05:22\nYou had to kind of know us.\n\n00:11:05:22 - 00:11:07:04\nIt was very private\n\n00:11:07:04 - 00:11:10:15\nand yet there was this also\rbecause there were a group of people here,\n\n00:11:10:15 - 00:11:13:12\nthere was some sort of\ran idea of a community.\n\n00:11:13:12 - 00:11:15:19\nBut it’s a very\runusual kind of mix.\n\n00:11:15:19 - 00:11:19:05\nIt's not, it’s not one or the\rother at all, in my mind.\n\n00:11:19:05 - 00:11:22:07\nIt was this really,\rcombination of a privacy\n\n00:11:22:07 - 00:11:25:22\nand the connectivity that came,\rmaybe it was he cafes and the fact\n\n00:11:25:22 - 00:11:28:09\nthat there are some sort\rof a critical mass of people\n\n00:11:28:09 - 00:11:32:12\nthat are interested in common things,\rmeaning broad connective tissue\n\n00:11:32:12 - 00:11:36:16\nin the artistic community between film\rand painting and sculpture, architecture, etc.\n\n00:11:36:16 - 00:11:39:19\n\rThere was a commonality in resistance\n\n00:11:39:19 - 00:11:41:08\nbecause that I said, \rthat would have been\n\n00:11:41:08 - 00:11:44:22\none of the the absolute\rcommonalities of that period of time\n\n00:11:44:22 - 00:11:49:23\nthat all of us were, were resisting\r... a found culture.\n\n00:11:49:23 - 00:11:52:21\nAnd that resistance\rwas the beginning of a creative act.\n\n00:11:52:21 - 00:11:56:01\nAnd uhmmm... \rrepresented the community itself.\n\n00:11:56:01 - 00:11:59:21\nRepresented a resistance\rto the, to the norm.\n\n00:11:59:21 - 00:12:03:21\nIt was a beginning of a process\rwhere architecture isn’t what I do.\n\n00:12:03:21 - 00:12:06:05\nArchitecture is who I am.\n\n00:12:06:05 - 00:12:07:15\nMakes sense?\n\n00:12:07:15 - 00:12:10:00\nIt's not a job.\n\n00:12:10:00 - 00:12:11:09\nIt's what I do.\n\n00:12:11:09 - 00:12:12:20\nThe pragmatics come,\n\n00:12:12:20 - 00:12:16:02\nthey’re secondary.\rOut of that comes an ability\n\n00:12:16:02 - 00:12:20:00\nto support yourself\ror to deal with the pragmatics of life.\n\n00:12:20:00 - 00:12:22:00\nAnd it was a community\rthat would basically be,\n\n00:12:22:00 - 00:12:23:16\nthere would be a commonality.\n\n00:12:23:16 - 00:12:26:06\nMy own development, artistically came\n\n00:12:26:06 - 00:12:30:14\nfrom living life and absorbing it \rfrom multiple places.\n\n00:12:30:14 - 00:12:33:07\nAnd that would be definitely\rwhat we're talking about here.\n\n00:12:33:07 - 00:12:37:01\nThat, that's, that's, that was\rthe thing that really formed me.\n\n00:12:37:01 - 00:12:40:16\nThe things we’re talking about\rthat came out of this, this experience.\n\n00:12:40:16 - 00:12:44:18\nWhere this was part of that experience\ror this is the center in many ways,\n\n00:12:44:18 - 00:12:47:12\nbecause this is where I was.\rThis is where I spent my time.\n\n00:12:47:12 - 00:12:50:09\nAnd it was, uhmmm, it was\rmy schooling, in a way.\n\n00:12:50:09 - 00:12:53:11\nIt’s the, in a sense that...\n\n00:12:53:11 - 00:12:54:04\nit was the thing\n\n00:12:54:04 - 00:12:58:01\nthat, that formed me\ror, or helped form me,\n\n00:12:58:01 - 00:12:59:17\nmore than school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://veniceheritagemuseum.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2416/collection_resources/129359/file/243257#t=0.0,791.31733"}]}]}]}