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And\n\n00:01:08:20 - 00:01:12:01\nalmost immediately, \rthe two of us realized there's no way\n\n00:01:12:01 - 00:01:16:16\nI'm going to live here \rwith outhouses and no running water.\n\n00:01:16:16 - 00:01:20:21\nAnd, and, it snowed in,\r in August, you know,  kind of.\n\n00:01:20:21 - 00:01:23:23\nAnd so we just sort of just kept going\rcross-country\n\n00:01:23:23 - 00:01:27:07\nback to New York and then \rdown to Florida where his parents lived.\n\n00:01:27:07 - 00:01:31:08\nAnd then eventually \rback to Venice and settled in.\n\n00:01:31:08 - 00:01:35:16\nWe found this little tiny bungalow\ron Cabrillo Avenue\n\n00:01:35:16 - 00:01:38:14\nthat had a sign in the window\rthat just said, for information\n\n00:01:38:14 - 00:01:41:11\nabout this place.\rYou want to tell about calling?\n\n00:01:41:11 - 00:01:43:09\nWell I, I was gonna\rgo back a little before\n\n00:01:43:09 - 00:01:46:09\nthat, too, and I will tell \rthat story it’s sort of funny.\n\n00:01:46:09 - 00:01:50:21\nI actually had been to Venice\rthe first time in 1964 when I was 17.\n\n00:01:50:21 - 00:01:55:17\nI was on a kind of long extended bus\rtrip and I wound up in L.A.\n\n00:01:55:17 - 00:01:56:23\nI stayed in a fleabag hotel.\n\n00:01:56:23 - 00:01:59:08\nI took a bus down Wiltshire Boulevard,\n\n00:01:59:08 - 00:02:03:03\nto, uh, the Palisades\rand spend most of the day\n\n00:02:03:03 - 00:02:07:19\non the Santa Monica Pier\rand the inside Daisy Clover days, it was...\n\n00:02:07:19 - 00:02:12:05\nAnd then I spent a night at \rdancing at POP and I was just\n\n00:02:12:05 - 00:02:16:05\ntotally enchanted\rby the California surfer crowd.\n\n00:02:16:05 - 00:02:20:04\nExcept I, when I’d get out was little 1 o’clock\rin the morning and I walked through Venice\n\n00:02:20:04 - 00:02:21:14\nin the middle of the night.\n\n00:02:21:14 - 00:02:24:20\nI tried to find a hotel, probably\rone on Rose and maybe the Saint Charles.\n\n00:02:24:20 - 00:02:26:02\nThey were all resident hotels.\n\n00:02:26:02 - 00:02:30:05\nVenice was, I think, pretty down downscale\rin those days.\n\n00:02:30:05 - 00:02:35:01\nAnd I ended out trying to walk across the\rMarina channel, which was not on my map.\n\n00:02:35:01 - 00:02:37:04\nSo I had to go back to\n\n00:02:37:04 - 00:02:39:07\nLincoln Boulevard and hitchhike \rdown to Manhattan Beach.\n\n00:02:39:07 - 00:02:43:13\nAnd I spent a night in Manhattan Beach\rand then went to, went bodysurfing.\n\n00:02:43:13 - 00:02:46:21\nAnd that's what I kind of, really\n\n00:02:46:21 - 00:02:49:04\nfell in love with the \rwhole beach town scene.\n\n00:02:49:04 - 00:02:53:18\nBut I, and subsequent trips\rI never knew about Venice.\n\n00:02:53:18 - 00:02:57:09\nI thought, well, we were both gay\rin New York, and I always thought\n\n00:02:57:09 - 00:03:00:20\nI, I don't think Hermosa Beach\rand Manhattan Beach are going to work.\n\n00:03:00:20 - 00:03:03:05\nAnd I had no idea about Venice.\n\n00:03:03:05 - 00:03:06:21\nThen I went to a bar called The Farm,\rwhich was THE bar in those days,\n\n00:03:06:21 - 00:03:08:22\nthe big, big  gay bar, excuse me.\n\n00:03:08:22 - 00:03:13:00\nAnd I got picked up\rby a guy who was nice enough and\n\n00:03:13:00 - 00:03:15:18\nkept hoping was going to invite me home\rcause I had nowhere to stay.\n\n00:03:15:18 - 00:03:17:06\nAnd he took me\rwith a bunch of his friends.\n\n00:03:17:06 - 00:03:20:06\nWe went to the Cafe Figaro and um,\n\n00:03:20:06 - 00:03:22:07\nand, I liked them all.\n\n00:03:22:07 - 00:03:24:16\nI thought he said he lived in Van Ness.\n\n00:03:24:16 - 00:03:27:00\nI didn't know what Venice was. I mean, I...\n\n00:03:27:00 - 00:03:28:16\nAnd so we got into a big paddle truck.\n\n00:03:28:16 - 00:03:29:07\nAnd the reason I'm\n\n00:03:29:07 - 00:03:33:03\nsaying the story was the paddle\rtruck was driven by two lesbians.\n\n00:03:33:03 - 00:03:36:00\nTheir names were named Fritzy\rand Candy and Candy,\n\n00:03:36:00 - 00:03:38:04\nit was Fritzy’s truck and \rCandy was her girlfriend.\n\n00:03:38:04 - 00:03:40:13\nThey lived on Rialto,\rbut I didn't know that.\n\n00:03:40:13 - 00:03:43:10\nAnd, um, we started driving down.\n\n00:03:43:10 - 00:03:44:05\nI thought we\n\n00:03:44:05 - 00:03:47:05\nwere going across, I kept thinking\rshouldn’t we be going across\n\n00:03:47:05 - 00:03:51:11\nthe mountains to get to Van Ness\ror whatever, I don't know.  And\n\n00:03:51:11 - 00:03:55:00\nFritzy was narcoleptic.\n\n00:03:55:00 - 00:03:58:07\nAnd so she kept falling asleep. \rWhile driving.\n\n00:03:58:07 - 00:03:59:00\nWhile driving, right?\n\n00:03:59:00 - 00:04:03:15\nAnd Candy would elbow her\rand say, “wake up Fritzy, wake up Fritzy.”\n\n00:04:03:15 - 00:04:04:05\nAnd she’d say, “I’m not  sleeping.”\n\n00:04:04:05 - 00:04:05:12\nWe're not asleep.” \n\n00:04:05:12 - 00:04:07:21\nAnd um, that's how I got to Venice.\n\n00:04:07:21 - 00:04:09:04\nAnd that's when we walked down the street.\n\n00:04:09:04 - 00:04:12:18\nWe saw this little cottage and it had\rthis, you know, for information about it.\n\n00:04:12:18 - 00:04:14:20\nIt was sort of,\rif it catches on fire, let us know.\n\n00:04:14:20 - 00:04:19:14\nIn many ways where we really count\rour relationship as really cementing\n\n00:04:19:14 - 00:04:23:06\nwas when we got that house\rfixed up enough to be able to live in it.\n\n00:04:23:06 - 00:04:26:06\nAnd so we moved in and we were renting\n\n00:04:26:06 - 00:04:30:16\nand the backyard was just there had been,\rthere was a there were no fences.\n\n00:04:30:16 - 00:04:31:08\nPeople used to do a...\n\n00:04:31:08 - 00:04:35:16\nif you look at Cabrillo\ryou realize you could take a shortcut\n\n00:04:35:16 - 00:04:37:17\nthrough the house, to the yard,\n\n00:04:37:17 - 00:04:40:10\nand there were no fences and the backyard\rhad been used for parking cars.\n\n00:04:40:10 - 00:04:42:19\nIt was hard as a rock and just dead.\n\n00:04:42:19 - 00:04:44:17\nAnd, uh, but we were happy there.\n\n00:04:44:17 - 00:04:49:02\nI mean, it was nice. \rAnd, and I thought having come\n\n00:04:49:02 - 00:04:51:23\nfrom the East Village,\rI thought it was like, um, \n\n00:04:51:23 - 00:04:53:13\nI thought it was heaven.\n\n00:04:53:13 - 00:04:55:02\nI mean, there was all \rbougainvillea everywhere.\n\n00:04:55:02 - 00:04:59:01\nGary Hatcher knew where all the flowers\rwere, and,  and he used to paint them, too.\n\n00:04:59:01 - 00:05:02:19\nSo it was, we kind of realized\rthat we were kind of where we needed to be\n\n00:05:02:19 - 00:05:03:19\nat that moment. \n\n00:05:03:19 - 00:05:08:01\nWhen we moved to Venice,\rwe were already out and gay.\n\n00:05:08:01 - 00:05:12:02\nWe were, we used to be holding hands\rin the streets of New York In 1971.\n\n00:05:12:02 - 00:05:14:09\nWe would walk around the streets\rof New York holding hands.\n\n00:05:14:09 - 00:05:17:05\nIn 1972, we’d walk\r around the streets of San Francisco\n\n00:05:17:05 - 00:05:17:20\nholding hands.\n\n00:05:17:20 - 00:05:21:10\nAnd I had a jacket, an embroidered jacket, \rwhich I embroidered on the streets \n\n00:05:21:10 - 00:05:25:23\nof Christoper Street, on the steps of Christopher Street\rthat said ‘Gay is Good’ across the back.\n\n00:05:25:23 - 00:05:28:18\nAnd when we first got to Venice,\rwe went to NuPars,\n\n00:05:28:18 - 00:05:32:19\nwhich was the restaurant\ron the corner of Pacific Avenue\n\n00:05:32:19 - 00:05:37:05\nand Windward on the southwest Corner,\rand I was in there,  there was a\n\n00:05:37:05 - 00:05:41:00\nreally handsome dude named Jimmy Heggie,\r\n\n00:05:41:00 - 00:05:42:07\nblond, who was trying to pick me up.\n\n00:05:42:07 - 00:05:46:22\nBut Alan Sarlo, who is one of the major\rVenice surfers was in there\n\n00:05:46:22 - 00:05:53:02\nwalking around shirtless and he saw ‘Gay is Good’\rand he nearly, nearly choked.\n\n00:05:53:02 - 00:05:55:16\nWhen we started walking to the beach,\rwe had a dog\n\n00:05:55:16 - 00:05:58:16\nand we take the dog down to the beach\rand avoid the dog catchers.\n\n00:05:58:16 - 00:06:01:16\nAnd we would walk between the Pavilion\n\n00:06:01:16 - 00:06:04:07\nand the surfer, and the surfer wall,\rwhich was the oils wells.\n\n00:06:04:07 - 00:06:06:12\nNeither are there anymore. Right?\n\n00:06:06:12 - 00:06:09:16\nWe would walk through holding \rhands and the surfers went\n\n00:06:09:16 - 00:06:10:20\nbananas.\n\n00:06:10:20 - 00:06:13:11\nThey just started screaming at us\rand screaming.\n\n00:06:13:11 - 00:06:16:19\nThey a lot of times they would scream\rRoman holiday, Roman holiday\n\n00:06:16:19 - 00:06:20:13\nbecause that was the name of a\rof a baths on Venice Boulevard,\n\n00:06:20:13 - 00:06:21:16\nwhich was the gay baths.\n\n00:06:21:16 - 00:06:22:09\nIt was horrible.\n\n00:06:22:09 - 00:06:26:15\nI mean, so\rwe actually backed off from holding hands.\n\n00:06:26:15 - 00:06:27:14\nWe would walk through.\n\n00:06:27:14 - 00:06:29:13\nI was willing to not hold hands\n\n00:06:29:13 - 00:06:31:15\nbut I was not willing\rto not walk through there.\n\n00:06:31:15 - 00:06:32:14\nSo we walked through it.\n\n00:06:32:14 - 00:06:37:18\nAt a certain point, we were not harassed\ranymore, but I couldn't figure out how to\n\n00:06:37:18 - 00:06:39:04\never make friends with these people.\n\n00:06:39:04 - 00:06:41:04\nI kinda liked them.  \rBut first of all a lot of them are\n\n00:06:41:04 - 00:06:44:04\nvery nice looking to end,\rbut they also\n\n00:06:44:04 - 00:06:46:22\nit just felt weird to me\rthat I just couldn't even break it.\n\n00:06:46:22 - 00:06:48:00\nAnd I got to tell you,\n\n00:06:48:00 - 00:06:50:09\na lot of the gay crowd\rthere had nothing to do with the surfers\n\n00:06:50:09 - 00:06:52:06\nand a lot of the hippies \ron the Venice oceanfront\n\n00:06:52:06 - 00:06:53:17\nhad nothing to do with the surfers.\n\n00:06:53:17 - 00:06:55:07\nThere were two different groups.\n\n00:06:55:07 - 00:06:57:04\nSurfers were certainly not hippies.\n\n00:06:57:04 - 00:07:00:08\nI took some photos of kids on my block\n\n00:07:00:08 - 00:07:03:16\nskateboarding and they were just kids\rand they weren't doing anything at all.\n\n00:07:03:16 - 00:07:06:04\nBut when I gave them the prints,\rthey went looney,\n\n00:07:06:04 - 00:07:08:06\nthey thought this is \rthe greatest thing ever.\n\n00:07:08:06 - 00:07:11:00\nSo I went out and bought myself\n\n00:07:11:00 - 00:07:15:15\na horrible used SLR camera, a Miranda.\n\n00:07:15:15 - 00:07:19:07\nAnd no lenses fit it,\rfrom one of our gay friends.\n\n00:07:19:07 - 00:07:22:10\nAnd I start, I went down to, \rwent in front of the Pavilion\n\n00:07:22:10 - 00:07:25:14\nand there used to be a bunch of skaters\rthere in front of the Pavilion,\n\n00:07:25:14 - 00:07:27:08\nand I started taking pictures.\n\n00:07:27:08 - 00:07:29:21\nI did a little tests with people.\n\n00:07:29:21 - 00:07:34:03\nIn fact, one of the first pictures I took\rwas one of the the iconic lesbians of\n\n00:07:34:03 - 00:07:36:12\nVenice named Davey.\n\n00:07:36:12 - 00:07:39:10\nAnd, um, and I took some\rpictures of these skaters\n\n00:07:39:10 - 00:07:41:01\nand I brought back prints \n\n00:07:41:01 - 00:07:43:17\nand all of a sudden\rthey were my friends.\n\n00:07:43:17 - 00:07:46:07\nSo I brought back more pictures.\n\n00:07:46:07 - 00:07:49:02\nUp until then, just\rI think only one of the\n\n00:07:49:02 - 00:07:51:20\nthat crowd of people ever\rwas nice to us, a guy named Tim Hands.\n\n00:07:51:20 - 00:07:53:00\nAnd he was just\n\n00:07:53:00 - 00:07:57:18\nhe was just wanted to have a finger at\revery pot so he was... hats off to Tim.\n\n00:07:57:18 - 00:08:02:12\nThe crowd was basically led by \rDennis Agnew, was known as Polar Bear.\n\n00:08:02:12 - 00:08:06:03\nAlthough I'm not sure he was Polar Bear\rthose days quite yet.\n\n00:08:06:03 - 00:08:07:10\nBut probably. \n\n00:08:07:10 - 00:08:09:12\nHe’s called a Polar Bear\rbecause he learned to surf one winter\n\n00:08:09:12 - 00:08:10:18\nwithout a wetsuit.\n\n00:08:10:18 - 00:08:13:12\nAnd he was the leader. \rI got, made friends of all these people.\n\n00:08:13:12 - 00:08:17:08\nI was taking pictures of them\rand they were skaters I think\n\n00:08:17:08 - 00:08:20:12\nI'm sure they knew,\rat least some of them knew I was gay,\n\n00:08:20:12 - 00:08:25:01\nbut they loved having their picture taken,\rbut they really loved getting a print.\n\n00:08:25:01 - 00:08:26:09\nAnd then I started taking\n\n00:08:26:09 - 00:08:29:00\ntrying to take surfing pictures,\rwhich I wasn't very good at.\n\n00:08:29:00 - 00:08:30:23\nBut even so,\rit didn't have to be very good.\n\n00:08:30:23 - 00:08:32:04\nPeople went crazy about that.\n\n00:08:32:04 - 00:08:34:07\nSo I would, you know, all of a sudden\rsome surfer dude\n\n00:08:34:07 - 00:08:38:02\nwould be knocking on our door and say,\rHey, Dave, I heard you got a great shot\n\n00:08:38:02 - 00:08:42:06\nof me doing a, doing a, in the, in the\rdoing off the lip at the south jetty.\n\n00:08:42:06 - 00:08:45:20\nIs that true?  You know.\rAnd I said yeah, yeah, here, here’s a copy.\n\n00:08:45:20 - 00:08:46:14\nAnd they were just great.\n\n00:08:46:14 - 00:08:49:01\nSo that's really why\rI started taking pictures.\n\n00:08:49:01 - 00:08:52:07\nAnd I was able to learn how to surf\rbecause I didn't get chased\n\n00:08:52:07 - 00:08:53:22\nout of the water by all the Venice locals.\n\n00:08:53:22 - 00:08:56:05\nAs long as I stayed out of their way.\n\n00:08:56:05 - 00:08:56:17\nThey didn't.\n\n00:08:56:17 - 00:09:00:17\nThey didn't want to get on my wrong side,\rbecause after all,\n\n00:09:00:17 - 00:09:03:03\nI was their source of photographs\rof not just having\n\n00:09:03:03 - 00:09:06:12\nbeing photographed\rbut having a photograph.\n\n00:09:06:12 - 00:09:11:01\nI would carry a little black manila\renvelope with 5 x 7’s on my jacket.\n\n00:09:11:01 - 00:09:14:01\nI always had to have a jacket with a\rpocket big enough to carry 5 x 7’s.\n\n00:09:14:01 - 00:09:19:07\nAnd so from about 1977 through to 1987,\rwhen we left Venice,\n\n00:09:19:07 - 00:09:22:10\nI was just constantly giving my pictures\rI must be given away\n\n00:09:22:10 - 00:09:23:20\nthousands of them.\n\n00:09:23:20 - 00:09:26:03\nWe won the lottery\rwhen we sold our house in Venice.\n\n00:09:26:03 - 00:09:29:17\nWe bought our house in Venice for $19,000.\n\n00:09:29:17 - 00:09:32:15\nWhich his his parents gave us a mortgage.\n\n00:09:32:15 - 00:09:34:08\nYeah, we mortgaged it with my parents money.\n\n00:09:34:08 - 00:09:36:00\nI had $1,000 still left\n\n00:09:36:00 - 00:09:40:06\nfrom my recording studio job in New York,\rwhich I'd held on to just in case.\n\n00:09:40:06 - 00:09:41:20\nSo we said we had no money.\n\n00:09:41:20 - 00:09:45:05\nWe always had enough money,\rin case, you know, in case.\n\n00:09:45:05 - 00:09:48:07\nAnd...\rBut um, in 1991\n\n00:09:48:07 - 00:09:51:21\nwe weren't living in Venice anymore,\rbut we still owned the house.\n\n00:09:51:21 - 00:09:54:19\nAnd people, people started\n\n00:09:54:19 - 00:09:57:22\ngiving us offers and we sold it.\n\n00:09:57:22 - 00:10:02:14\nWe were not we were not real estate\rinvestors or house flippers or anything.\n\n00:10:02:14 - 00:10:05:02\nWe sold it for $235,000. Right?\n\n00:10:05:02 - 00:10:07:06\nI mean, that's winning the lottery.\n\n00:10:07:06 - 00:10:08:11\nBack then though.\n\n00:10:08:11 - 00:10:09:21\nAnd they immediately tore it down.\n\n00:10:09:21 - 00:10:12:00\nThe thing about our house, \rone thing which we're most proud of\r\n\n00:10:12:00 - 00:10:13:17\nis that when we moved in, it was a mess.\n\n00:10:13:17 - 00:10:16:09\nAnd when we left\rwe had the Garden of Life.\n\n00:10:16:09 - 00:10:16:23\nI got to tell you.\n\n00:10:16:23 - 00:10:19:11\nWe had our little cottage on\n\n00:10:19:11 - 00:10:22:21\nCabrillo was right in the front,\rright on the street,\n\n00:10:22:21 - 00:10:24:22\nbut there was a huge yard behind.\n\n00:10:24:22 - 00:10:28:15\nIt took us a long, long time\rto get this yard cleaned up.\n\n00:10:28:15 - 00:10:32:06\nA lot of work,\rbut we had a fabulous garden back there\n\n00:10:32:06 - 00:10:33:20\nwith flowers and vegetables.\n\n00:10:33:20 - 00:10:37:02\nWe had so many vegetables\rwe handed them out\n\n00:10:37:02 - 00:10:40:08\nto neighbors, you know,\rDo you want a zucchini?\n\n00:10:40:08 - 00:10:40:23\nRight, you’re right.\n\n00:10:40:23 - 00:10:44:06\nBut we, we had a,\rwe had an asparagus bed\n\n00:10:44:06 - 00:10:47:05\nthat John started from seed.\rNow takes three years\n\n00:10:47:05 - 00:10:50:08\nfor asparagus to start to grow\rto actually have asparagus you can eat.\n\n00:10:50:08 - 00:10:51:22\nAnd he started, I thought it was crazy.\n\n00:10:51:22 - 00:10:54:14\nI thought, yeah, it's a little wooden box,\ryou can't get this out of it.\n\n00:10:54:14 - 00:10:56:11\nAnd we had the most amazing asparagus.\n\n00:10:56:11 - 00:11:00:21\nAnd since we were doing this\rgardening business all over Venice,\n\n00:11:00:21 - 00:11:04:02\nwe met lots of different people\rfrom all walks of life.\n\n00:11:04:02 - 00:11:08:23\nThere was one of my favorites\rwas Mario Semini (Serini), who was an Italian\n\n00:11:08:23 - 00:11:14:03\nopera singer or retired opera singer\rwho lived on, was it Rialto?\n\n00:11:14:03 - 00:11:16:12\nHe lived right next to Tom’s little,\rlittle storefront.\n\n00:11:16:12 - 00:11:17:14\nHe rented, the house he lived in\n\n00:11:17:14 - 00:11:20:10\nwas rented from Tom,\rwho lived next door.\n\n00:11:20:10 - 00:11:23:03\nOur house, as they say, was just a little\n\n00:11:23:03 - 00:11:23:23\nshack, but it\n\n00:11:23:23 - 00:11:27:17\nwas a a nice house\rand we ended up fixing it up.\n\n00:11:27:17 - 00:11:30:17\nWe didn't fix it up by\n\n00:11:30:17 - 00:11:33:22\nbecause we were rich people\rcoming in from outside, gentrifying.\n\n00:11:33:22 - 00:11:36:16\nWe fixed it up because we lived in it.\rWe want it to be nicer.\n\n00:11:36:16 - 00:11:37:16\nSo it's a weird mixture.\n\n00:11:37:16 - 00:11:39:15\nSo, I mean, it was nice, but\n\n00:11:39:15 - 00:11:41:17\nI, I think I liked it better\rwhen we first moved there.\n\n00:11:41:17 - 00:11:44:05\nBy the end,\rit was getting a little difficult.\n\n00:11:44:05 - 00:11:46:12\nSo I mean, so that's\rwhat I would say it was.\n\n00:11:46:12 - 00:11:50:13\nIt was a paradise, but it was not a\rparadise by a lot of people's standards.\n\n00:11:50:13 - 00:11:53:01\nIt was a paradise by our standards.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://veniceheritagemuseum.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2416/collection_resources/119593/file/226583#t=0.0,731.968"}]}]}]}