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David grew up between Venice and Malibu."]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["4/20/22 at 1:30 PM"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Preferred Citation"]},"value":{"en":["Name of interviewee, date; The Venice Heritage Museum Oral Histories Project; Venice Heritage Museum, Los Angeles, CA."]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["Venice Heritage Museum"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["Copyright © 2024 Venice Heritage Museum"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["MP4"]}},{"label":{"en":["Identifier"]},"value":{"en":["OH_041"]}},{"label":{"en":["Keyword"]},"value":{"en":["Venice Beach"]}},{"label":{"en":["Access Ss"]},"value":{"en":["access_public"]}}],"summary":{"en":["David Hertz is a renowned architect known for his work in sustainable architecture. 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00:00:06:19\n  \rMy name is David Hertz.\n\n00:00:06:20 - 00:00:09:19\nI was born October 6th, 1960.\n\n00:00:09:22 - 00:00:13:20\nMy great grandmother, Sophie, she lived\n\n00:00:13:22 - 00:00:19:15\nactually down the alley from the house\rthat we're at now at 21 Ozone,\n\n00:00:19:17 - 00:00:23:05\nwhich was a building\rstill there called the Nadine.\n\n00:00:23:07 - 00:00:27:02\nAnd so I would come down in the early ‘60’s.\n\n00:00:27:04 - 00:00:34:10\nPOP was right in front of her apartment,\rand she lived on one of the upper floors\n\n00:00:34:10 - 00:00:36:17\nand looked right out over POP.\r\n\n00:00:36:17 - 00:00:38:13\nPacific Ocean Pier\n\n00:00:38:15 - 00:00:41:06\nwas a...\n\n00:00:41:06 - 00:00:45:06\nwas an extravagant amusement park\n\n00:00:45:08 - 00:00:49:05\nwith roller coasters, dolphin pools,\n\n00:00:49:06 - 00:00:52:19\nall types of rides\rthat went out over the ocean.\n\n00:00:52:21 - 00:00:57:19\nAnd so my earliest kind of \rformative years was going to POP\n\n00:00:57:19 - 00:01:01:08\nalmost like a kid \rgoing to Disneyland at that time,\n\n00:01:01:10 - 00:01:04:16\nbeing right in front of my great\rgrandmother's house and for her\n\n00:01:04:18 - 00:01:09:17\nwalking down Oceanfront Walk\rand all the older ladies,\n\n00:01:09:17 - 00:01:14:04\nyou know, on the benches, you know,\rgrabbing your cheek and, and all that.\n\n00:01:14:06 - 00:01:17:03\nSo there were early memories of Venice.\n\n00:01:17:03 - 00:01:20:17\nAnd, um, in the ‘70’s, um...\n\n00:01:20:19 - 00:01:23:10\nas I was kind of coming of age, at the,\n\n00:01:23:10 - 00:01:26:23\nyou know,\rI was part of the birth of skateboarding\n\n00:01:26:23 - 00:01:28:22\nand DogTown generation\n\n00:01:28:22 - 00:01:32:05\nand surfed at POP amongst the\rthe pilings there.\n\n00:01:32:11 - 00:01:37:01\nAnd then ‘76,\rI lived in the Silver Triangle\n\n00:01:37:01 - 00:01:40:20\nsection of Venice.\rThere were restaurants and there was livelihood\n\n00:01:40:20 - 00:01:43:01\nand there were kind of, poets\n\n00:01:43:01 - 00:01:44:16\nand I would go to like the\n\n00:01:44:16 - 00:01:49:01\nMessless Meat Hall and other places\rthat were open at all hours.\n\n00:01:49:01 - 00:01:51:16\nI was in architecture school,\n\n00:01:51:16 - 00:01:52:19\nwe'd work all night,\n\n00:01:52:19 - 00:01:58:05\nand so, you know, go out at all\rhours of the night, you know, ride my bike\n\n00:01:58:05 - 00:02:02:22\neverywhere, go to, go to places,\rget coffee, get food, you know, work.\n\n00:02:02:22 - 00:02:07:14\nThere was the Lafayette Cafe\rthat was a regular breakfast spot,\n\n00:02:07:16 - 00:02:09:00\nthat was amazing.\n\n00:02:09:00 - 00:02:12:00\nThis waitress, Ruby and, you know, the\n\n00:02:12:02 - 00:02:15:06\nthis, the chef was a convicted felon.\n\n00:02:15:06 - 00:02:19:03\nYou know, like the first time\rI really saw anybody with prison tattoos,\n\n00:02:19:03 - 00:02:20:23\nyou know,\rthere weren't a lot of tattoos in the day.\n\n00:02:20:23 - 00:02:26:04\nSo, but it, you would have\ra certain edginess there\n\n00:02:26:06 - 00:02:29:06\nbut then you might see Orson Welles,\ryou know,\n\n00:02:29:07 - 00:02:33:08\nsitting in a, in a booth,\ryou know, or, you know, there was\n\n00:02:33:08 - 00:02:36:23\nthere was a similar dynamic\rgroup of people.\n\n00:02:36:23 - 00:02:42:10\nAnd then, of course, I,\rI worked for Frank Gehry on Brooks and,\n\n00:02:42:10 - 00:02:44:08\nand Oceanfront Walk\n\n00:02:44:08 - 00:02:48:03\nand then I worked \rfor a lot of artists growing up,\n\n00:02:48:04 - 00:02:51:04\nincluding artists\rlike Jean-Michel Basquiat\n\n00:02:51:05 - 00:02:54:16\nwhen he was at Market Street \rat, on the Gagosian\n\n00:02:54:16 - 00:02:57:07\nHouse, there, gallery.\n\n00:02:57:07 - 00:02:59:00\nI built all of this structure bars.\n\n00:02:59:00 - 00:03:03:01\nI worked with Duane Valentine.\n\n00:03:03:03 - 00:03:06:04\nHis, his grandson is my godson.\n\n00:03:06:04 - 00:03:08:02\nLarry Bell, um...\n\n00:03:08:17 - 00:03:11:07\nChuck Arnoldi,  you know...\n\n00:03:11:07 - 00:03:13:09\npart of the art scene of Venice.\n\n00:03:13:09 - 00:03:17:08\nAnd early memories was going to Ace\n\n00:03:17:08 - 00:03:20:08\nGallery openings\rwhen it was on the Windward Circle\n\n00:03:20:08 - 00:03:21:14\nOld Market.\n\n00:03:21:14 - 00:03:27:05\nI had my first studio in Venice\ron, Abbot Kinney in the ‘80’s...\n\n00:03:27:05 - 00:03:29:21\nyou know, raised my three kids,\ryou know, in the ‘90’s, and...\n\n00:03:29:21 - 00:03:30:13\nyeah...\n\n00:03:30:13 - 00:03:34:00\nSo I work for Frank Gehry, and he shared\n\n00:03:34:00 - 00:03:37:09\na building with the artist Chuck Arnoldi\n\n00:03:37:11 - 00:03:40:20\non Brooks and Pacific\n\n00:03:40:22 - 00:03:43:08\nand, and all the way to Speedway.\n\n00:03:43:08 - 00:03:46:08\nI'd, you know, I'd ride my bike to work.\n\n00:03:46:09 - 00:03:50:20\nI'd surf every morning right in front.\n\n00:03:50:22 - 00:03:55:00\nI had a surfboard in the reception area\n\n00:03:55:00 - 00:03:58:02\nuntil Frank decided he wanted to, like,\n\n00:03:58:02 - 00:04:02:20\nelevate the professionalism of the office.\n\n00:04:02:20 - 00:04:04:17\nAnd I would body surf with Frank\n\n00:04:04:17 - 00:04:07:19\nGehry and Chuck Arnoldi\rand, you know, other artists.\n\n00:04:07:19 - 00:04:11:05\nAnd, and because I could build things,\n\n00:04:11:05 - 00:04:13:06\nI would work for all these artists.\n\n00:04:13:06 - 00:04:15:03\nAnd it was an amazing time.\n\n00:04:15:03 - 00:04:19:08\nSo, you know, Bob Graham and,\ryou know, all\n\n00:04:19:10 - 00:04:22:05\nso like after work I would\n\n00:04:22:05 - 00:04:26:01\nor on weekends I would build things\rfor these other artists.\n\n00:04:26:01 - 00:04:29:13\nAnd it was very interesting\rto see their, their work\n\n00:04:29:13 - 00:04:33:10\nand Nelson Valentine\rwork for Chuck Arnoldi\n\n00:04:33:10 - 00:04:37:22\nand his father Duane\ractually was friends with my parents\n\n00:04:37:22 - 00:04:40:22\nand I started to do, you know, some\n\n00:04:40:22 - 00:04:45:00\nsome help there\rand, and build models for Arnoldi\n\n00:04:45:00 - 00:04:49:08\nand then I ended up building\ra lot of things for Robert Graham,\n\n00:04:49:08 - 00:04:50:16\nJohn McCracken,  \n\n00:04:50:16 - 00:04:53:18\nI mean the Basquiat experience was interesting\n\n00:04:53:18 - 00:04:56:18\nonly in hindsight, you know, because I\n\n00:04:56:18 - 00:04:59:18\nyou know, I was offered a small\n\n00:04:59:18 - 00:05:04:13\npainting by this New York\rgraffiti artist that I thought, you know,\n\n00:05:04:15 - 00:05:08:06\nI could, I needed my 12 bucks an hour.\n\n00:05:08:08 - 00:05:12:18\nAnd I, you know, regret\rnot, not taking a Basquiat\n\n00:05:12:18 - 00:05:16:14\nit woulda been a pretty,\ryou know, good investment at that time.\n\n00:05:16:14 - 00:05:19:21\nBut at that time it was like,\rreally, you're trying to like\n\n00:05:19:23 - 00:05:24:08\npay me with this graffiti art, I mean,\n\n00:05:24:10 - 00:05:25:20\nbut Basquiat,\n\n00:05:25:20 - 00:05:29:02\nI just had heard from Fred Hoffman,\rwho I worked with\n\n00:05:29:02 - 00:05:32:17\nat Frank Gehry's office\rand Fred was like the dealer.\n\n00:05:32:18 - 00:05:37:05\nYou know, dealing\rlike Frank sketches and other things.\n\n00:05:37:05 - 00:05:41:19\nAnd he introduced me to Gagosian\rand they said, there's this,\n\n00:05:41:21 - 00:05:46:16\nyou know, kid living in a box,\ryou know, in New York has been doing\n\n00:05:46:16 - 00:05:51:00\ngraffiti on subways and Larry's\rbringing him out here\n\n00:05:51:00 - 00:05:55:08\nto do work,\rand he needs stretcher bars and stuff.\n\n00:05:55:08 - 00:05:58:08\nSo I spent pretty much the summer\n\n00:05:58:08 - 00:06:01:18\nbuilding big stretchers for him.\n\n00:06:01:20 - 00:06:06:11\nAnd I remember him just sitting on\rlike a cot in this big open studio.\n\n00:06:06:13 - 00:06:11:09\nHe had a Van Gogh,\rI mean, a Rembrandt book, you know.\n\n00:06:11:09 - 00:06:14:05\nAnd that book,\rI remember, was like five or 600 bucks.\n\n00:06:14:05 - 00:06:16:08\nI mean, it just seemed like\rand I just remember him\n\n00:06:16:08 - 00:06:19:15\njust ripping pages out of it\rand then just walking up and you know,\n\n00:06:19:15 - 00:06:22:11\npasting it on the wall and then rolling\n\n00:06:22:11 - 00:06:27:08\ngiant joints like, like,\rlike a newspaper like, like,\n\n00:06:27:10 - 00:06:29:02\nI mean, it was just incredible.\n\n00:06:29:02 - 00:06:31:20\nAnd he didn't really talk much\rand he walked, watched me and\n\n00:06:31:20 - 00:06:34:23\nI had to build\rI remember three big canvases\n\n00:06:34:23 - 00:06:37:20\nit was a triptych\rand they were probably about 15 feet tall\n\n00:06:37:20 - 00:06:41:07\nand each one was like,\ryou know, five feet wide together.\n\n00:06:41:09 - 00:06:43:23\nAnd, you know, I knew\n\n00:06:43:23 - 00:06:46:23\nI was told, you know, that\rthey're, they're valuable and, you know,\n\n00:06:46:23 - 00:06:50:10\nthey were going to sell them, you know, Gagosian\ris going to sell them for a lot of money.\n\n00:06:50:10 - 00:06:53:01\nAnd this kids, you know, is\n\n00:06:53:01 - 00:06:55:02\nfriends with Warhol and all that stuff.\n\n00:06:55:02 - 00:06:58:23\nSo, I had, he wanted hinges\n\n00:06:59:01 - 00:07:03:16\nlike placed in the in the center, he wanted\rto hinge these, this triptych together\n\n00:07:03:18 - 00:07:07:16\nso I couldn't\rget to the middle of the third panel.\n\n00:07:07:18 - 00:07:11:23\nSo I rigged up this whole scaffolding with\n\n00:07:12:01 - 00:07:15:01\nsome of my, like, \rsailing background and I, you know,\n\n00:07:15:03 - 00:07:19:08\nrope and a block and tackle and,\ryou know, suspended this whole thing\n\n00:07:19:08 - 00:07:23:19\nand put all these hinges in\rand was very careful about the thing.\n\n00:07:23:19 - 00:07:26:09\nAnd I, you know, pull the whole\n\n00:07:26:09 - 00:07:30:18\nthe scaffold planks over\rand swing them over and\n\n00:07:30:18 - 00:07:34:18\nand Jean-Michel like looks at me\rand he kind of smiles and gets up\n\n00:07:34:18 - 00:07:37:21\nand he walks right across all three\rfucking canvases.\n\n00:07:37:21 - 00:07:42:00\nAnd I was telling my kids a story\rat a retrospective at MOCA\n\n00:07:42:00 - 00:07:44:23\nand I saw the paintings and \rwe walk right, and there's\n\n00:07:44:23 - 00:07:48:09\nthe footprints\rstill there, on that, on that canvas.\n\n00:07:48:09 - 00:07:53:14\nSo that was pretty, pretty fun,\ryou know, to have this experiences.\n\n00:07:53:14 - 00:07:59:02\nAnd I met a lot of very interesting\rcharacters and I'm still very close\n\n00:07:59:02 - 00:08:04:18\nwith Tom Sewell, that early, early,\rformative Venice kind of character,\n\n00:08:04:18 - 00:08:06:03\nBon Vivant,\n\n00:08:06:03 - 00:08:11:14\nhe had a magazine called Main Magazine,\rand he profiled me very early...\n\n00:08:11:14 - 00:08:17:00\nvery charismatic, creative,\ryou know, unique individual,\n\n00:08:17:00 - 00:08:22:06\nhad a different perspective on things\rwho was early in Venice, who,\n\n00:08:22:07 - 00:08:29:02\nyou know, bought a lot of real estate\rwith partners with Roger Webster\n\n00:08:29:02 - 00:08:31:07\nand other, you know, people like that.\n\n00:08:31:07 - 00:08:36:12\nI just, I always thought it was fascinating\rthat these, these,  guys that came here\n\n00:08:36:12 - 00:08:42:00\nbasically with nothing as like hippies,\ryou know, in the ‘60’s and 70’s\n\n00:08:42:00 - 00:08:46:19\nended up buying,\ryou know, formative pieces of real estate\n\n00:08:46:19 - 00:08:51:05\npeople like Werner Scharff and others\rthat had lots of buildings\n\n00:08:51:05 - 00:08:54:07\nthey’re certain seminal people\n\n00:08:54:07 - 00:08:57:13\nthat became kind of legendary\n\n00:08:57:13 - 00:09:02:05\nin the way that they had been in Venice\rand the stories that they had\n\n00:09:02:05 - 00:09:05:06\nabout Venice, you know,\rand he, I remember Tom\n\n00:09:05:06 - 00:09:08:21\nhad like a, has still, a green\n\n00:09:08:23 - 00:09:11:13\nStudebaker or it was like a giant pickle,\n\n00:09:11:13 - 00:09:14:01\nyou know, he would just drive around\rwith his pickle\n\n00:09:14:01 - 00:09:16:10\nbut he was always very dapper.\n\n00:09:16:10 - 00:09:17:20\nHe created this Main Magazine,\n\n00:09:17:20 - 00:09:19:21\nhe had a photo booth\n\n00:09:19:21 - 00:09:23:01\nwhere, you know, if you went over,\ryou would just go in the photo booth.\n\n00:09:23:01 - 00:09:27:18\nSo he's got tens of thousands of photos\rof really interesting people\n\n00:09:27:18 - 00:09:29:17\nthat were coming through Venice\rall the time.\n\n00:09:29:17 - 00:09:33:16\nAnd he's only now in his eighties, mid\rto late eighties,\n\n00:09:33:16 - 00:09:36:13\ngoing through the archives, you know,\rand they're just voluminous.\n\n00:09:36:13 - 00:09:39:21\nAnd he has interns working\rfull time to just process these\n\n00:09:39:21 - 00:09:40:22\nyou know, images.\n\n00:09:40:22 - 00:09:45:02\nSo he was a chronicler of Venice,\ryou know,\n\n00:09:45:02 - 00:09:49:03\nthe Knights of the Oingo Boingo,\ryou know, that preceded Oingo Boingo,\n\n00:09:49:03 - 00:09:53:12\nyou know, interesting people\rthat were around at that time.\n\n00:09:53:12 - 00:09:54:17\nI mean, as an architect,\n\n00:09:54:17 - 00:09:59:10\nI have to rationalize\rmy place as being as much a contributor\n\n00:09:59:10 - 00:10:03:22\nto gentrification in the built environment\ras I am in the preservation of it.\n\n00:10:03:22 - 00:10:04:18\nAnd a lot of work\n\n00:10:04:18 - 00:10:08:18\nthat I've done has been in preservation,\rwhether it's a 1905 Selpuveda\n\n00:10:08:19 - 00:10:13:03\nBeach House, preservation\rsaving bungalows in Oakwood,\n\n00:10:13:05 - 00:10:17:22\nyou know,\rbut I'm often on this side of preservation\n\n00:10:18:00 - 00:10:21:07\nwhere I'm getting, you know, pushback,\n\n00:10:21:07 - 00:10:26:08\nyou know, from the built environment\rcommunity, you know, but I think\n\n00:10:26:10 - 00:10:31:17\neach project is, is a unique project\rand it needs to be taken in the context\n\n00:10:31:19 - 00:10:36:08\nof the immediate surroundings,\rnot just a wholesale view.\n\n00:10:36:08 - 00:10:39:08\nYou know, not\rall gentrification is necessarily bad\n\n00:10:39:08 - 00:10:42:04\nand not all\rpreservation is necessarily good.\n\n00:10:42:04 - 00:10:45:04\nI mean,\rI think that the significant differences ,\n\n00:10:45:04 - 00:10:48:14\nyou know, have been a, kind\n\n00:10:48:14 - 00:10:53:05\nof a general gentrification\n\n00:10:53:07 - 00:10:55:07\nwith people that don't necessarily\n\n00:10:55:07 - 00:10:58:23\nhave the full appreciation\rof, of the history of Venice.\n\n00:10:59:01 - 00:11:04:17\nAnd so as they come into Venice\rand they want to change the Venice\n\n00:11:04:19 - 00:11:07:14\nthat they don't really know and understand\n\n00:11:07:14 - 00:11:11:13\ninto something\rthat is more homogeneous, it's\n\n00:11:11:13 - 00:11:16:23\nlike if you come into Venice\rthat and there's homelessness,\n\n00:11:17:01 - 00:11:19:17\ninstead of embracing that or\n\n00:11:19:17 - 00:11:23:11\nfinding solutions to it,\rthere's, there's a sense of that, that,\n\n00:11:23:11 - 00:11:27:18\nyou know, they’re in Venice, it's like,\rwell, homelessness is here, you know,\n\n00:11:27:18 - 00:11:33:11\nbut when you came, it's not,\rnow you've got to make everything antiseptic.\n\n00:11:33:11 - 00:11:36:17\nThe only constant in Venice, is change.\n\n00:11:36:17 - 00:11:39:17\nAnd people are afraid of change.\n\n00:11:39:18 - 00:11:45:02\nAnd people come here and they are invested\rat one point in history\n\n00:11:45:02 - 00:11:47:11\nrather than, you know, an appreciation\n\n00:11:47:11 - 00:11:51:21\nthat there's a certain flow\rand that it's always evolving.\n\n00:11:51:21 - 00:11:55:08\nAnd change is not necessarily always bad.\n\n00:11:55:10 - 00:12:00:00\nSometimes it's definitely bad and it’s worth\rfighting for preservation\n\n00:12:00:00 - 00:12:03:20\nof certain character,\rbut it's not always universally bad.\n\n00:12:03:22 - 00:12:07:18\nBut it's interesting\rhaving a kind of almost a 60 year\n\n00:12:07:18 - 00:12:13:20\nperspective on Venice is the same issues,\rwhether it was, you know, the yuppies,\n\n00:12:13:20 - 00:12:18:09\nthe hippies, you know, the, the,\ryou know, tech douche bag, whatever.\n\n00:12:18:09 - 00:12:21:07\nYou know, it's like always,\r it's exactly the same.\n\n00:12:21:07 - 00:12:24:16\nI mean, you could still look in the,\ryou know, the sidewalks and you could see,\n\n00:12:24:16 - 00:12:28:04\nyou know, you know, yuppies,\ryou know, go home, whatever.\n\n00:12:28:04 - 00:12:31:22\nAnd it could be,\ryou know, it's just a different name.\n\n00:12:32:00 - 00:12:34:01\nBut the issues are still the same.\n\n00:12:34:01 - 00:12:37:06\nAnd I think that's what's great about it.\n\n00:12:37:06 - 00:12:39:22\nI think there's a certain\racceptance about that\n\n00:12:39:22 - 00:12:42:12\nit's a living organism.\n\n00:12:42:12 - 00:12:47:08\nThe city is a living organism of different\rpeople that are coming through it.\n\n00:12:47:09 - 00:12:52:18\nAnd, and,\ryou know, it's hard to freeze one period\n\n00:12:52:18 - 00:12:58:09\nbecause if you say that that one period\ris not of value, at some point\n\n00:12:58:09 - 00:13:02:04\nit will be a value,\ryou know, like a 70’s dingbat\n\n00:13:02:04 - 00:13:06:01\napartment doesn't seem to have redeeming\rcharacteristics in the 70’s,\n\n00:13:06:01 - 00:13:08:21\nit's the blight of Venice, now\n\n00:13:08:21 - 00:13:11:03\nit's part of the character of Venice,\n\n00:13:11:03 - 00:13:12:12\nif you wait long enough.\n\n00:13:12:12 - 00:13:15:11\nI mean, the boardwalk itself on\n\n00:13:15:11 - 00:13:19:08\nany given day is an amazing amalgam\n\n00:13:19:10 - 00:13:22:04\nof people from all over the world\n\n00:13:22:04 - 00:13:27:13\nand all different walks of life,\rculturally, ethnically,\n\n00:13:27:15 - 00:13:32:01\nspiritually, economically,\rkind of coming together in a way\n\n00:13:32:01 - 00:13:36:03\nthat doesn't necessarily\ralways come together in most communities.\n\n00:13:36:03 - 00:13:41:11\nI mean, I think Venice is a place\rthat is a mix of different,\n\n00:13:41:13 - 00:13:44:00\ndifferent people from lots of different\n\n00:13:44:00 - 00:13:47:18\nwalks of life\rthat is generally open and tolerant.\n\n00:13:47:18 - 00:13:52:05\nAnd obviously within that\rthere are people that feel passionate.\n\n00:13:52:05 - 00:13:55:23\nI mean, most people in community settings,\n\n00:13:56:01 - 00:13:58:05\nthe first thing they say\ris, you know, how long\n\n00:13:58:05 - 00:14:01:18\nthey've lived in Venice\ror because there's a certain\n\n00:14:01:20 - 00:14:02:21\naspect of being proud.\n\n00:14:02:21 - 00:14:06:19\nI look at it\rthis way as I've never seen somebody\n\n00:14:06:19 - 00:14:10:06\nwith a tattoo on their back\rthat says Brentwood.\n\n00:14:10:06 - 00:14:14:00\nYou know, like, like \ryou'll see people, you know,\n\n00:14:14:00 - 00:14:17:02\nand I think Venice,\ryou know, and six inch high letters,\n\n00:14:17:02 - 00:14:21:12\nyou know, along their back, you know, it's like, \rthat's a certain amount of pride\n\n00:14:21:12 - 00:14:24:09\nthat doesn't always happen\rin a lot of communities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://veniceheritagemuseum.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2416/collection_resources/119592/file/225486#t=0.0,883.11467"}]}]}]}